Heinlein Reader’s Discussion Group
Thursday 03-09-2002 9:00 P.M.
Another Robert’s Mysteries
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SAcademy: Goof adternoon David.
SAcademy: I meant “good” Sorry aabout that.
SAcademy: Maybe I had better lie down–my typing is poor today.
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SAcademy: Hello David. What time does this start?
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AGplusone: I’m here if you’re back from shopping, Dave.
AGplusone: … matter of fact, I’m here if you’re not. 🙂
Paradis402 has entered the room.
AGplusone: ‘lo Denis
Paradis402: Hi David, Hi David
AGplusone: ‘tother Dave’s shopping with wife. Just has his ‘putor hooked up and on for the log.
Paradis402: Oh. I see. Good talk on Thursday?
AGplusone: Fairly good. Read Requiem?
AGplusone: L.A. Requiem, rather
Paradis402: RAH or Crais?
AGplusone: I just noticed that, btw
Paradis402: I’ve only read Demolition Angel. Last December. He writes very well.
AGplusone: I’m rereading Demo Angel just now, since we’ll probably be talking about it over the next two weeks. Yes, I agree he writes well.
Paradis402: Reminds me of Robert (Heinlein) a bit.
AGplusone: He drops more than Heinlein references in …. do you know of Michael Cassutt?
Paradis402: No.
AGplusone: sci-fi writer (a few novels) and Hwood Screenwriter.
AGplusone: He names a minor character “Michael Cassutt” in Demo Angel
Paradis402: I don’t get around much. Picke up Demolition Angel at WalMart.
AGplusone: I talked to Michael about it (met him at a booksigning by Willis up in NoHollywood). Asked him if he knew Crais. He does, and knew of the use of his name.
AGplusone: Grinned at me.
AGplusone: Cassutt the character never appears. Simply a name identified as a further victim of the bad guy.
Paradis402: Nice boy. I was not aware he knew Heinlein until you guys mentioned it.
AGplusone: I think so.
Paradis402: I mean Crais.
AGplusone: Yes
AGplusone: Years back he did a bit of posting on RAH in the alt.fan.heinlein newsgroup
Paradis402: Refreshing style of writing. I”d been reading mostly the main best sellers.
AGplusone: occasionally, more than a regular.
AGplusone: I like his style. He can do poet if he wishes.
Paradis402: He must be very busy now.
AGplusone: He must be. Finished and mailed off his script on Demo Angel just about a couple months ago
AGplusone: Has sold both Angel and Hostage, his latest, to Hweird
Paradis402: I read that in Devember. Did I time warp?
AGplusone: the script?
AGplusone: Or Angel?
AGplusone: Angel didn’t hit Paperback until recently
Paradis402: No the book. Paperback from WalMart. Demo Angel. You mean the screenplay?
AGplusone: both Angel and Hostage (and maybe several of the rest) have had hardbound editions
AGplusone: screenplay
AGplusone: sorry: used script ….
Paradis402: I swear I read it in Pigeon. Before Christmas. In paperback.
Paradis402: OK:-)
AGplusone: Did you see his echo of Chandler’s “Santa Ana” wind passage I quoted way back four weeks ago or so?
Paradis402: David, my mind has been so swamped with stuff since I’ve been here, I hardly remember who I am.
AGplusone: Talked to Ginny IM today. I think she’s getting better. Was complaining about the cost of the bills from the doctors. Sure sign of recovery.
Paradis402: I hope so. Very upsetting for me. Scared me a lot.
AGplusone: yeah, me too
Paradis402: If she gets feisty, she’s getting better.
AGplusone: That’s what I felt.
Paradis402: She never stops. I can’t do half of what she does.
AGplusone: If I can do half what she does now when I turn 65 I’ll be happy.
AGplusone: Not that I will do it. I’m lazy.
AGplusone: I wish I could find some time to write.
Paradis402: We’re getting close to that now. I feel like 90. Too much mileage.
AGplusone: Rode hard, put away wet, eh?
Paradis402: Yup. Sins of youth or too much work.
AGplusone: Right. How are your lungs, btw
AGplusone: They took a lobe out of mine ten years ago.
AGplusone: Hasn’t come back yet.
Paradis402: No problem. You lost one… like Robert.
AGplusone: Not the whole thing, but a third of it.
AGplusone: Causes me to breathe hard when I climb stairs.
Paradis402: I don’t think it will grow back. Cloning?
AGplusone: Probably not in my lifetime.
AGplusone: But I hope one day for some
Paradis402: Or mine. Medicine needs good engineers. They don’t have any.
AGplusone: They’ll get some.
Paradis402: I hope so. That’s their only hope.
AGplusone: If’n the peasants don’t rush the castle with torches and pitforks
AGplusone: pitchforks
Paradis402: The problem with health workers is that they are scared of computers and new technology. This is nationwide.
AGplusone: Surprising …
AGplusone: not merely the workers in the hospitals, but the researchers too?
Paradis402: It dismays me. FDA and such bureaucracies don’t help.
Paradis402: Yes. Research is a study in self exaltation, not true discovery.
AGplusone: Government is frightened of computers. Case in point. LAPD has never had a good computer system.
AGplusone: And I know the guy who tried to build their first one.
Paradis402: True. It’s idiotic.
AGplusone: They all have the silly notion that it’s hardware they need
AGplusone: new hardware every couple years
AGplusone: then they want a new set of software, custom, for their operation …. reinvent the dogsled every three years
Paradis402: They are so wrong. But not much can be done to clue them in.
Paradis402: The Japanese and Europeans are way ahead of us here.
AGplusone: Read about the 12 gigaflop test on the new dual 900Mhz G-4 Mac?
Paradis402: No.
AGplusone: Fast
Paradis402: I can imagine.
KultsiKN has entered the room.
KultsiKN: Hi, all!
AGplusone: And two years from now, you’ll need that to run GameBoys
Paradis402: Hi Kultsi.
AGplusone: Hi, Kultsi. DWrigh is off shopping with wife.
AGplusone: But his ghost is logging
KultsiKN: It’s been around before 😉
AGplusone: Should we wake up Ginny?
Paradis402: I would try if I were you.
AGplusone: ‘kay
Paradis402: Thanks.8-)
AGplusone: Invite out.
KultsiKN: Nice RayBans, Denis.
Paradis402: She may be having AOL problems again. It’s been ailing all week too.
Paradis402: Thanks Kultsi. I only wear them here.
fgherman has entered the room.
AGplusone: Hi, Felicia
KultsiKN: Hi, Felicia!
Paradis402: Hi Felicia.
fgherman: Hi all
AGplusone: Do you or Joel know (or read) Robert Crais?
fgherman: no, and no
AGplusone: Shame. Nice guy. Good writer.
fgherman: at least, I don’t
fgherman: Can’t really speak for Joel
AGplusone: Like mystery-detective books?
Paradis402: He is now At IgA , WalMart, KMart etc.
fgherman: some of them – usually historical mystery novels for me
fgherman: Ellis Peters, Lindsey Davis
AGplusone: Some of those are neat. what’s the series about the Roman everyone talks about?
fgherman: Marcus Didius Falco – great stuff
fgherman: I buy them in hardcover
AGplusone: Yeah, that one. I’ll have to read one one day
AGplusone: Who writes those?
fgherman: Lindsey Davis
AGplusone: thot so
AGplusone: Crais writes some nice L.A. located stuff.
fgherman: Some guy named Chandler did that too, I understand
AGplusone: Two clowns named Cole and Pike … Cole bumbles around shaking cages, and then Pike comes and bails his butt out.
AGplusone: Crais knows it. He wrote a nice echo of Chandler’s opening — the one about the Santa Ana wind — in his last Cole-Pike novel. Red Dawn, mebbe, is the name of the Chandler.
AGplusone: Then Crais cites RAH as inspiration … posted those photos of the bombshelter on his website.
fgherman: I saw those
AGplusone: How’s Joel doing? His mystery detective have a publication date yet?
fgherman: I’m sure it does – I don’t remember it off the top of my head
AGplusone: I’m waiting to ‘read’ it IRL!
fgherman: The good news is that Baen just picked up the rights to all of the OOP stuff
AGplusone: OOP?
fgherman: OutOf Print
AGplusone: oooooW, wow!
AGplusone: that is good news!
fgherman: That’s kind of our feeling
AGplusone: Good reason to come to San Jose, eh?
AGplusone:
fgherman: He didn’t pay *that* much for them
AGplusone: We’ll let you and Joel sleep in our bathtub …. wadda say?
fgherman: But it’s the second invite we’ve had to ConJose this week
fgherman: I’ll mention it to him
AGplusone: Good. Tell him the wrong name, okay?
fgherman: the wrong name?
AGplusone: sumbody else’s
AGplusone: I forgot I wasn’t a college sophomore still …. bathtubs indeed!
Paradis402: David, I think Ginny may be having puter problems again. Maybe Snowy has chewed off the phone line so she could rest.
AGplusone: shudda least offered the rug … or a sleeping bag.
AGplusone: Yes, I think that’s possible. Have you or Joel written her recently F?
KultsiKN: She’s online, though
fgherman: A *real* gentleman would have offered his own bed
AGplusone: Yes, she is … but she’s been tired a bit lately, K
fgherman: I haven’t chatted but I saw her on yesterday.
KultsiKN: W. or w/o him?
AGplusone: My wife will tell you I’m only an Ersatz Gentlemen, try as she may
fgherman: I won’t touch that line
AGplusone:
KultsiKN: You were leading with your chin
fgherman: Heck, I can’t even *dress* Joel.
fgherman: 🙂
Paradis402: 😀
AGplusone: I know. It’s hard to cope with us. I think we’re really from Luna, not Mars.
AGplusone: Mention to Joel I think he might enjoy the Crais visit we’re getting ready for in two weeks.
AGplusone: Please
AGplusone: Guy’s got an interesting mind.
fgherman: Will do, but he’s writing the sequel to Homefront
KultsiKN: Did I get it right: Thursday only?
AGplusone: Thursday only is the way it’s looking unless we so overwhelm him he decides to do a Saturday
KultsiKN: 🙁
AGplusone: 3 hours is scary if you don’t do these things. Joel and Felicia were very very unusual folk
fgherman: I’ll take that as a compliment
AGplusone: so intended ….
Paradis402: David, do you know if Crais ever housesat for the Heinleins when he was younger?
AGplusone: Doubt it. I don’t think he ever even wrote them.
AGplusone: Just admired them from afar
Paradis402: Oh. Ok.
AGplusone: I mentioned to him he ought to EMail Ginny, but I think he’s a bit reserved about doing that.
Paradis402: She would enjoy it. I’m sure.
AGplusone: Don’t think he’s from Colo Sps, although he must have lived there when they remodeled the house about five years ago … or visited opportunely
AGplusone: to get those photos
AGplusone: he’s from Louisiana
Paradis402: Crais is Joual for I Believe.
AGplusone: Arcadian?
AGplusone: Credo
Paradis402: Joual is boonie french canadian. Even more difficult to understand than Creole.
AGplusone: very interesting ….
Paradis402: A joual is a cheval.
AGplusone: I figured he was Cajun …
Paradis402: A draft horse.
Paradis402: We’ll have to ask him if he speaks Creole.
AGplusone: I think we should.
AGplusone: His writings are a bit different concerning Louisiana than Burke, another well-known detective mystery writer, of course.
AGplusone: But there’s some common themes. James Lee Burke
fgherman: Gotta go deal with my kids
fgherman: later
fgherman has left the room.
AGplusone: He wrote one of the Cole-Pike novels set in Louisiana.
Paradis402: I must read more of his books.
AGplusone: He’s very good.
Paradis402: Poetic. And more.
AGplusone: Very complicated mind … the books are a fun exercise in ‘art’ … which will scare people.
AGplusone: but it’s true
AGplusone: He’s having fun writing them
Paradis402: That’s why he’s good.
AGplusone: maturing depictions
AGplusone: noticeable improvement
AGplusone: Kultsi, are any of his things available in Finlandia
AGplusone: they’re well worth reading and a lot better than the genre run of the mill
AGplusone: particularly the latest ones
KultsiKN: I haven’t checked the libraries; might be in a bookstore in Helsinki
AGplusone: He’s been on NYT bestsellers lists with the last two
AGplusone: top fiction, not top genre
AGplusone: NYT=NewYorkTimes
Paradis402: I am very hard to surprise any more. But he surprised me with his style of writing. Very pleasing.
AGplusone: I really haven’t seen anyone write that well in the genre in a while. He’s close to Chandler
Paradis402: Much better than Koontz.
AGplusone: And he’s doing a lot better in character development
AGplusone: than Chandler ever tried
AGplusone: Don’t think Chandler ever tried that, to tell the truth
AGplusone: What I liked about L.A. Requiem was a little tricky. Both of you read the premeeting posts?
AGplusone: Because I didn’t mention this in the posts.
Paradis402: Yes. Rather rapidly.
AGplusone: Spoiler material:
AGplusone: The entire novel is one about revenge on Pike by someone
AGplusone: Someone very unexpected.
AGplusone: And that someone is an inperfect clone of Pike.
AGplusone: parallels in development all through their life history, except for one thing: a very Heinlein thing.
AGplusone: The murderer doesn’t and Pike READS
AGplusone: when they were growing up.
AGplusone: murderer turns out to be a nightmare …. Pike, somehow, a human
AGplusone: despite common horrid child abuse, etc. …
Paradis402: Good trumpeting. David.
AGplusone: Well, it’s really worth reading
Paradis402: Yes
AGplusone: and pretty subtle the way Crais does it
AGplusone: reason I mention this here, is it was in Thursday’s log, but log’s not up yet.
DennEditor has entered the room.
DennEditor: Howdy
AGplusone: Hi, Bill?
DennEditor: yep
SAcademy has entered the room.
AGplusone: Hi, Ginny, welcome. Have a nice nap?
DennEditor: I forgot all abou the Readers chat today …
Paradis402: Hi Den, Hi Ginny.
SAcademy: Sorry I went to sleep over the keyboard.
DennEditor:
AGplusone: We figured you might have. Where ya going?
DennEditor: I’ve done that Mrs. H.
DennEditor: I am moving to other side of town
DennEditor: Into a MUCH larger house
AGplusone: Shucks, I was hoping you’d say you were hired by the NewsTrib to square away their act.
AGplusone: or ChiTrib
DennEditor: I don’t know how much I can contribute. I have’t read the books scheduled to be discussed.
AGplusone: Don’t need to have ….
DennEditor: Chi Trib is a possibility 😉
AGplusone: Sumbody needs to straighten them out …. 😉
DennEditor: But I don’t want to live in Chicago. I have pretty much settled for good in Peoria.
AGplusone: Sum of ma best frien’s live in Peoria
DennEditor: ALL chain papers need to be straightened out. Yuck.
Paradis402: Can you BOLD Den?
DennEditor: Thanks DaVE.. 🙂
DennEditor: YEP
Paradis402: Merci 🙂
AGplusone: I’m slowly watching the changes being done to the LA Times since the Trib bought the Chandlers out.
AGplusone: Actually, they’re not too bad, yet ….
DennEditor: Ever read “The Powers that Be” David?
AGplusone: Probably not.
AGplusone: About the NP industry?
DennEditor: Details three big media families, Chandlers, Ochs and the pople who owned Time Mag (name escapes me)
AGplusone: whatizname …
DennEditor: yeah … wife became a Congrescritter
AGplusone: owned a bunch back WWII
AGplusone: how quickly thy glory fades
AGplusone: What was that fellow Ginny. owned Life, etc.
DennEditor: Well, these families all had quirks that sometimes lead to lousy journalism … but they had better papers than these lousy chains
AGplusone: Who are the Ochs?
AGplusone: the Trib?
DennEditor: Adolph Ochs … German Jewish family that bought the NYT. GrandDaughter married a Sulzburger
AGplusone: Ah …
DennEditor: I mention Jewish because it played a part in how they played the news
DennEditor: Tried VERY hard to not appear to be Jewish
AGplusone: it would have
AGplusone: one way or ‘tother
DennEditor: Col. McCormick owned the Chi Tribune
AGplusone: My uncles in Rockford, Mt. Morris, and Kenosha used to read the Christian Science Monitor rather than the Trib
DennEditor: very anti-British and isolationist. Hated FDR with a passion.
DennEditor: CSM has a very good reputation.
AGplusone: Oh, yeah. You can guess who my uncles thought the sun rose and set upon.
DennEditor: Yeah, my family too.
Paradis402: Who?
DennEditor: Of course mr grandmother was a JFK delegate at national dem convention
AGplusone: as was my mother
DennEditor: I am a HUGE disappointment to them ….
DennEditor: REALLY! Small world
AGplusone: So was I when I voted for Goldwater in ’64
DennEditor: Ouch! heh heh heh
Paradis402: I voted for Goldwater too.
DennEditor: Of course, I voted for neither Gore nor Bush
AGplusone: but they didn’t poison me, altho I suspect my now-sainted mother may have thought about it
DennEditor: Heh heh
DennEditor: If Goldwater had kept his mouth shut about the Bomb, he may have stood a chance.
AGplusone: Instead they treated me the way the cap troopers treat fellows who refuse to get into the capsule ….
AGplusone: as if I was sick …
AGplusone: and probably wouldn’t get well.
ddavitt has entered the room.
AGplusone: Hi, Jane.
ddavitt: Hi everyone
Paradis402: Hello Jane.
DennEditor: Yeah, but you were right … Howdy Jane. We’ve been discussion cold war presidential politics
DennEditor: discussing
ddavitt: Wow; how did you get onto that from Crais?
Paradis402: We all agree.:-\
ddavitt: That’s not a proper political discussion then!
DennEditor: Well …. I haven’t done the assigned reading, so …..
AGplusone: We’re just blithering. Bill Denis is moving, and we had hoped he’s been hired editor of the Chicago Trib or something … that led into politics
DennEditor: A political discussion with disagreement? As a libertarian, I am not used to that.
AGplusone: normal alt.fan.heinlein thread drift …. around the world in 80 seconds
ddavitt: Heh, yes.
Paradis402: We are all nice folk, if a bit lunatic.
AGplusone: Except for thee and me …. and I’m too sure about which of you is “thee”
ddavitt: That’s a hard comment to answer Denis
Paradis402: 😀
DennEditor: As to job situation … I am pretty much stuck here. I am too old to be a reporter anymore and my libertarian beliefs make me ill-suited to liberal or conservative mind set at most newspapers.
ddavitt: So what’s next, Bill?
AGplusone: How’d you like my wife’s tale, Jane? Didn’t intend it to be nasty, but it’s a bit intense when I tell it.
DennEditor: Well, libertarians never agree. What is next? Doing the best job I can here. I may be overstating things a bit. But I am the odd duck whenever I get together with newsie friends.
ddavitt: I did like reading it; thanks. Helped a lot
ddavitt: That must be hard Bill
AGplusone: that old Foss woman is the second cousin of the Marine with the MH they talked about
AGplusone: And she was bigger than he was.
DennEditor: Yes. IT is assumed in any get-together that all are liberals. Just as businessmen assume that all other business people are Republicans.
ddavitt: Oh, while I think on; is there a meeting tomorrow for THS?
AGplusone: no
AGplusone: Be next week. People out of town, recovering from ‘minor’ illnesses, etc.
DennEditor:
ddavitt: OK
ddavitt: I have a library meeting set up for Monday night
AGplusone: It all counts …. could use help on the News page if you had time, Bill.
ddavitt: Did you get in touch with Sarah Hoyt David?
AGplusone: Yes, looking forward to hearing about it, unless you want me to lurk
ddavitt: Re the essays?
AGplusone: Yes, I did.
ddavitt: Great!
DennEditor: Sure. If I have time. I just got Webmaster duties dumped on me at work.
ddavitt: Up to you; love to have you if you have the time, otherwise, I’ll circulate the log
AGplusone: Good. Call me collect. You have my number?
AGplusone: If I lurk I can lurk another name if you wish
DennEditor: If I did, I lost it in the last move. You can email it to me.
ddavitt: No need; why?
DennEditor: oh. D’oh
AGplusone: ‘kay …
AGplusone: So, did you leave Thursday before I asked folk to compare Pike and Sobek?
AGplusone: Jane?
ddavitt: Just as it was happening
ddavitt: What conclusion did you come to?
DennEditor: So… why is this Crais fellow so great a writer?
ddavitt: He’s very readable and the books are exciting
AGplusone: If you compared the two, their background, analogizing, what differences and simularities would you find?
Paradis402: You have to read him to find out. Really. Surprising!
ddavitt: End of Voodoo River was great
AGplusone: Aw, you just like turtles, Jane.
DennEditor: Is he a great as John Grisham? (ducking)
AGplusone: better
Paradis402: Yes. IMO
ddavitt: I still think that Sobek was incapable of love in the way Pike had for karen and the wife of the policeman
ddavitt: He wasn’t a balanced personality
AGplusone: but why … what difference in their life made that lack appear in the ‘copy’ of Pike?
ddavitt: Dunno; Pike certainly had abuse and hardship which some claim causes a cycle of abuse later on
AGplusone: Everything Sobek went through Joe went through (at least by analogy) except one trait or characteristic
ddavitt: Pike defended his mother…
AGplusone: and the cat
ddavitt:
ddavitt: nasty bit:-(
ddavitt: He defended the weak
AGplusone: what in Joe’s life made him do that, i.e., here comes the hint:
ddavitt: Sobek would have attacked
AGplusone: “Die for a rose.”
ddavitt: ?
ddavitt: Spit it out David or I’ll get testy:-):-)
AGplusone: Somebody comments about Joe’s type in one little paragraph, about how his sort can “die for a rose”
AGplusone: remember?
ddavitt: No…
AGplusone: Remember when Aimes breaks his arm?
ddavitt: What’s it mean; for an ideal?
AGplusone: yes
ddavitt: Sobek wouldn’t die for anything
ddavitt: Pike is a hero type.
AGplusone: Remember the weird trait about Pike that Horse, the other gunnery sergeant mentions to Aimes?
ddavitt: With a death wish and a deep drive to survive to counteract it
ddavitt: He’s odd but interesting
AGplusone: No. What do Horse always find in Pfc Pike’s footlocker?
ddavitt: Umm…book, poems
AGplusone: Ummmm
AGplusone: ‘die for a rose’
ddavitt: The book is yards away; I will go fetch it
AGplusone: Page 141
Paradis402: A picture of Elizabeth II?
ddavitt: Got it
AGplusone: Pike is a reader …..
AGplusone: Read what Aimes thinks about that
ddavitt: Lights just flashed; we have a storm.
AGplusone: Aw, heck … thought for a moment it was the light engendered by my brilliance … ah well
ddavitt: The best warriors are poets? Hmm
Paradis402: Pike reads Heinlein?
ddavitt: That too:-)
ddavitt: No, I don’t think he does
AGplusone: Not mentioned in this book ….
AGplusone: he simple reads everything
ddavitt: Lucy’s son does
ddavitt: He says the Samurai were poets?
AGplusone: he does
ddavitt: And that men don’t die for the flag or family but their buddies next to them
ddavitt: That’s understandable
AGplusone: Aimes thinks that most soldiers will only die for their buddies, but poets will die for an ideal …. like a cat about to be burned with kerosene
ddavitt: But a rose…that’s not a buddy, that’s a symbol
ddavitt: Ah, gotcha
ddavitt: Tired today
ddavitt: Brain all fuzzy
AGplusone: and since Aimes wants LRP Marines, who will go it alone if need be, he really wants Pike
AGplusone: That’s the only difference in kind I can find between Pike and Sobek (taking into account the analogies)
ddavitt: It’s enough
AGplusone: And I think, Crais very subtle point of the novel.
ddavitt: Interesting to see who doubts Pike and who believes him totally, no matter what the evidence
ddavitt: He inspires trust in some, unease in others
ddavitt: Depends on your conscience maybe
AGplusone: fear rather than unease
ddavitt: Lucy fears him.And the cat doesn’t like her. She’s doomed
AGplusone: he’s really scary
ddavitt: Not to a friend
AGplusone: yeah, poor Belle Darkin
AGplusone:
ddavitt: He’s like the ultimate security blanket
ddavitt: And very sexy; maybe Lucy felt uneasy about that; split loyalty
AGplusone: unless that cat changes his mind ….
DennEditor:
AGplusone: Lucy is the love of Cole’s life these past four novels since Voodoo River
ddavitt: Course, Elvis is more like Pike than we know at first; the cartoon shirts hide it
ddavitt: But he’s pretty tough too
AGplusone: I think he’s divided the one into two characters … Good guy, bad guy, to sell a POV
ddavitt: Like Hilda and jane in NOTB; both brave but Hilda would say Gesundheit as she fled a volcano
ddavitt: Elvis is Hilda
AGplusone: annoying, yes
ddavitt: He can’t keep quiet even if it earns hima beating
ddavitt: He has toned down a lot since the first books
AGplusone: some growth
ddavitt: But yes, he’s so rude that I’m surprised he has any clients
AGplusone: he’s getting older and wiser
ddavitt: He has very high standards, again like Pike
ddavitt: Don’t we all?
AGplusone: that was one thing. Ever meet a trial lawyer with a good bedside matter?
AGplusone: manner
ddavitt: Never met a lawyer.
ddavitt: Apart from you.
AGplusone: lucky you
ddavitt: Not common in UK
ddavitt: Oh..maybe when we sold a house for 5 mins as we handed over a huge cheque
AGplusone: huge checks bring out the little nice in them
ddavitt: David says I have to go help with baby baths
ddavitt: So I’ll pop back later if I can
AGplusone: ‘kay … see you Monday, maybe.
ddavitt: Hey; I got a free book:-)
AGplusone: lucky you … fumigate it
AGplusone: make sure it’s not from Mr. Red
ddavitt: Play nice.
ddavitt: Night all.
AGplusone: nite Jane
Paradis402: Nite Jane
ddavitt: Eleanor says I have to do a smiley
ddavitt: :-):-):-):-):-):-)
ddavitt: Now she’s happy
Paradis402: 😀
DennEditor: OT: When is Mr. Panshin going to stop posting in AFH so much?
AGplusone: Eleanor is nice
ddavitt: She’s giggling about that one
DennEditor: Hello Eleanor 😉
ddavitt: She certainly is
AGplusone: 😛
Paradis402: 😎
AGplusone: Tell her that’s a tongue
DennEditor: ;-]
DennEditor: O:-)
AGplusone: bald spot?
ddavitt: She says that’s funny too but Bil’s is puzzling her; it’s not a graphic; how come?
DennEditor: halo.
Paradis402: Demo Angel
ddavitt: Ok, I’m being called from above and it’s not an angel
AGplusone: Ah! Probably because it’s not in AOL’s standard set
DennEditor: cause I tried to make a different smiley, but hit the wrong button
ddavitt: See you all soon.
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AGplusone: ’tis three thirty here, folk …
DennEditor: brb
Paradis402: Break?
AGplusone: yeah, why not … back at 45 past the hour?
Paradis402: Ok
AGplusone: afk … to root for Henry Bibby or Bill Walton’s son, haven’t made up my mind, for ten minutes
AGplusone: 15:45 back
AGplusone: Bibby’s doing me proud!
AGplusone: Bibby, UCLA ’70 my class
Paradis402: Commodore Ginny AFK?
AGplusone: I think she is ….
AGplusone: possibly dozed off …. propose we adjourn?
Paradis402: Good idea.
AGplusone: Okay, Crais visiting in two weeks from last Thursday.
AGplusone: Do Demo Angel and Hostage on the message boards on afh
Paradis402: Great. See you there. Hope Ginny feels better.
AGplusone: thanks … nice to see everyone.
AGplusone: Log closing
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AGplusone: bye
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DenvToday: Hello David and Mrs. Heinlein
DenvToday: Has the discussion broken up already?
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