Heinlein Reader’s Discussion Group
Saturday 06-09-2001 5:00 P.M. EDT
The Future World of 2001
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DavidWrightSr: Hi Guys.
SAcademy: Is DSL telephone company or cable?
AGplusone: Hi, Dave … we’re testing an url … phone company
SAcademy: company
AGplusone: verizon.net in my case
geeairmoe2: My brothers have cable modems. They gush with enthusiasm about them.
billdennis2nd: DSL is phone company and many phone companies have decided to back away from installing and offering
SAcademy: Is it really $50 a month?
AGplusone: Yes
SAcademy: Too much
AGplusone: true
billdennis2nd: The URL didn’t work for me
AGplusone: but … the convenience is better
billdennis2nd: Does it have an unnecessary underscore?
AGplusone: what browser are you using
geeairmoe2: Our local version of Time/Warner offers it at $39.95.
ddavitt has entered the room.
billdennis2nd: I am using IExplorer
ddavitt: Hi everyone
AGplusone: that’s nice … we had a promo … at that price. Hi, Jane
billdennis2nd: Hello
geeairmoe2: Hello.
billdennis2nd: I got free installation, two months service at 19.99 a month.
billdennis2nd: Then it goes to $39.99 a month
AGplusone: very nice deal
AGplusone: They had 40 monthly for about a six month period, but recently dropped that
AGplusone: we’re talking about DSL connections, Jane
SAcademy: What does it do specifically?
billdennis2nd: Actually, cable modem is faster
SAcademy: You get online faster. How much faster?
ddavitt: Yes, I don’t know what they are.
AGplusone: Very much greater speed and allows you to use your phone at the same time
billdennis2nd: Provided everyone on your block isn’t already using a cable modem.
ddavitt: Oh, I know now.
AGplusone: I’m getting about seven times the speed of a 56 k modem right now Ginny
maikoshT has entered the room.
ddavitt: It would be handy to unblock the phone but it costs more
AGplusone: which isn’t all that great
AGplusone: but is better
SAcademy: Using this is the only reason I have a telephone!
ddavitt: Can’t afford it; people will have to wait till I’m done and ring me then
SAcademy: I’d throw the phone out otherwise.
billdennis2nd: Lets just say I can bring up the Illustrated Catalog in about five seconds.
AGplusone: I kept telling my wife that was a fringe benefit of being on line … no phone interruptions
ddavitt: Really? I have started to use this to talk to my mum in the UK but I like hearing voices too
billdennis2nd: You know, the one with RAH’s cadet photo at the top
AGplusone: but she wanted to be able to call me while I was on line
AGplusone: I’m finding I cannot send urls in this space we have now with the AIM chat rooms
AGplusone: That is a pain in the butt
billdennis2nd: I can’t see ANYONE using dial up modems in five years. THis is just sooo much better
SAcademy: Where did you get that picture, please?
AGplusone: The cadet photo?
billdennis2nd: I didn’t get it. I saw it on this web page.
SAcademy: Yes.
OakMan 7111 has entered the room.
ddavitt: David’s company is doing something called M Ergy
OakMan 7111: Hello all
ddavitt: Or something; wireless internet in remote areas
ddavitt: Hi Jon
SAcademy: Good afternoon.
AGplusone: Hi, Jon …
ddavitt: Can log on at 70 mph …on a train. I’m probably getting this all wrong
AGplusone: Okay, it’s the hour. Do we have a start time, anyone?
billdennis2nd: I would send the link, but I can’t paste it in this chat room
AGplusone: Yes … a real pain in the butt.
ddavitt: You go David 🙂
AGplusone: https://www.heinleinsociety.org/_Site/Society/BldDrive/SignUp.asp
billdennis2nd: Gee, what is the topic today.
ddavitt: 2001
OakMan 7111: Why we fell behind RAH’s predictions so badly
AGplusone: we’re testing the page, Jon …
ddavitt: Why aren’t we in flying cars
ddavitt: That sort of thing
billdennis2nd: I’m gonna sign up later on david. I can’t believe I never did before.
billdennis2nd: Oh, I don’t think we fell behind all that much.
AGplusone: The part of the novel I found interesting was something I’d seen before
AGplusone: the predictions of which way my own town would develop
billdennis2nd: Didn’t RAh predict that traffic on the highways would be regulated by computer?
OakMan 7111: me, too. I thgink it’s the pic that’s messing up Netscape
ddavitt: LA you mean?
ddavitt: The smog goes doesn’t it?
AGplusone: I enjoyed the descriptions made 30 years ago
ddavitt: Is that still a problem now?
AGplusone: Not too serious, certainly not as serious as they were around 1955
AGplusone: we rarely have alerts that amount to much
AGplusone: and he was correct about the town developing westward toward the beach towns
billdennis2nd: There are several predictions of his that I believe (just off the top of my head) that WOULD have
ddavitt: Less coal fires? Or didn’t you have them in sunny LA?
billdennis2nd: come true had there been political will to implement
ddavitt: That’s what made our peasoupers in London
AGplusone: they cut out trash incinerators and almost all coal burning
billdennis2nd: I remember within the past couple of years a report on TV ….
AGplusone: actually all of it, plus oil … and went to natural gas
billdennis2nd: About a system that allowed cars to drive at top speed down the highway
AGplusone: saying what, Bill …
billdennis2nd: within a few feet of each other
billdennis2nd: It was supposed to prevent congestion and accidents
billdennis2nd: They showed five cars whipping down the row in perfect formation
OakMan 7111: IIRC, it required sensors in the pavement as well as in the car
AGplusone: They keep edging that way … but getting folk to surrender control would be a big step
billdennis2nd: I don’t think so, OakMan
billdennis2nd: Yes! It is all psychological
AGplusone: Remember in Methuselah’s Children, how they have an option for local control?
OakMan 7111: Bill, I’m Jon Ogden
billdennis2nd: People wouldn’t FEEL safe
DenvToday has entered the room.
AGplusone: Hi, Ron
billdennis2nd: hello
DenvToday: Good afternoon everybody!
billdennis2nd: I recognize almost everybody ….
OakMan 7111: Hello Ron
AGplusone: When Mary is driving with Laz she goes back to local control, which means her own control?
DenvToday: Hello!
ddavitt: Hi Ron afj
ddavitt: afk
AGplusone: We all, sometimes, use a form of what may be coming, “cruise control” for highway driving …
AGplusone: how do we feel when we do that?
OakMan 7111: I wouldn’t feel safe if someone else had a local control option…
billdennis2nd: I am going to have to leave soon. This program is almost done downloading.
Dehede03 has entered the room.
billdennis2nd: bye
DenvToday: Hello Dehede
OakMan 7111: bye
billdennis2nd has left the room.
Dehede03: Howdy folks.
AGplusone: Hi, Ron (dehehe) meet Ron (DenvToday) … 🙂
AGplusone: “de”
DenvToday: Nice to meet you!
Dehede03: Ms Academic how are you today. Howdy Ron and Dave
DavidWrightSr: Everyone, Please check Bold button.
SAcademy: Just fine, thanks.
AGplusone: Jane, btw, what did you all decide about next chat subject.
AGplusone: on, okay?
billdennis2nd has entered the room.
billdennis2nd has left the room.
ddavitt: dunno
Dehede03: On
ddavitt: baby on knee alert
ddavitt: hang on
ddavitt: Any luck with Robert Crais Dave?
Dehede03: A thought has been running through my mind; but I don’t know how we could ever make it a topic
DavidWrightSr: Sorry. I’ve not had a chance to check with him yet. Promise to do so today or tomorrow
AGplusone: What’s that, Ron?
ddavitt: Ohterwise we can move up the racism chat; who proposed that one?
ddavitt: ga Ron
AGplusone: time for suggestions is now …
DenvToday: I had a thought once. I think it was 1994. I lied down and it passed.
ddavitt: What about the one that came up in the Thursday chat; overlaps with other things.
ddavitt: IE; lots of us like cats, Buffy, detective novels….
ddavitt: what’s the common factor
Dehede03: I was noticing the auto biographical comments
ddavitt:
Dehede03: On page 13 of TEFL he has his favorite drink
Gaeltachta has entered the room.
ddavitt: Hi Sean!
AGplusone: Manhattans?
Gaeltachta: G’Day Everyone….. Hi Jane
AGplusone: Hi, Sean
Dehede03: Brandy Manhatten.
Dehede03: But how do you turn those scattered comments into a subject
DenvToday: Hello!
AGplusone: It would be hard to draw conclusions as to what were autobiographical, what weren’t
SAcademy: Ron, that was Robert’s favorite!
ddavitt: What do you want to do with them exactly?
ddavitt: Build up a picture of favourites?
Dehede03: They would make a darn fine treasure hunt though
Dehede03: I don’t know Jane
ddavitt: certainly would.
Dehede03: Interesting as all get out
Dehede03: But what do you do with them
OakMan 7111: I’d love to do a collection page for ’em at THS.org…
Dehede03: Well I thought of that Oakman but they turn into a project to give to someone else
AGplusone: We might try tieing them into the biographical sketch, assuming everyone can find it on line.
SAcademy: collection of what? Drinks? I’ve been trying to get Denis in
AGplusone: The little glimpses of what may have been photos from his life …
Dehede03: I commemorated his death by donating blood this year
ddavitt: I don’t see him SA
AGplusone: like the little boy out in back yard who looks at Haley’s comet
Dehede03: Right
Dehede03: So I was thinking of doing one of his favorite feasts for his birthday.
geeairmoe2: news://news.sff.net/sff.people.gwilliam
ddavitt: Well, Tim Morgan and I are tracking down all the dedication people so expect cries for help soon.
geeairmoe2: I posted the link David wants us to check out on my newsgroup.
ddavitt: That should be fun; looking at why those particular people got that particular book
Dehede03: Oh yes,
Dehede03: good idea
SAcademy: Believe it or not, I just got “The group is invalid” from AOL
ddavitt: Ginny is our secret weapon if we get totally stuck.
AGplusone: Who, btw, are the folk to whom the dedications in Door Into Summer refers, Ginny?
Dehede03: Yes, but we don’t want to come up with a project for Ginny to do.
SAcademy: What names?
ddavitt: No; we are determined to do as much of it ourselves as possible
SAcademy: I can’t remember.
Gaeltachta: A.P. and Phyllis Mick and Annette Aelurophiles All
AGplusone: “A.P. and Phyllis, Mick and Annette, Aelurophiles all.”
ddavitt: A.P and Phyllis, Mick and Annete
ddavitt: Beat me
AGplusone: And
DJedPar has entered the room.
ddavitt: Hi there
Dehede03: Yes, I have wondered about them in many books
AGplusone: Sean got the capital “A” in All correct.
OakMan 7111: hello DJ
AGplusone: Hi, DJedPar
SAcademy: AP is William A. P. White, sometimes Anthony Boucher. Phyllis is his wife writes mysteries.
Dehede03: Hello, DJ
Gaeltachta: Ha!
DJedPar: Hi, finally made it.
ddavitt: She is P D james isn’t she?
[Editors Note: This is false. Boucher was married to Phyllis Price; P(hyllis).D. James was married to Dr. Connor Bantry White]
AGplusone: And an aelurophile is?
SAcademy: Good for you Denis.
DavidWrightSr: Djepar is Denis.
ddavitt: Cat lover!
AGplusone: Hi, Denis, welcome
DJedPar: Among other things
SAcademy: Maybe P. D. James. I’m not sure abaout that.
ddavitt: I think she is..but I will check. Thanks! That’s great. Another one down
AGplusone: What did A.P.White do in real life, when he wasn’t writing?
ddavitt: Rephrase that!
ddavitt: It sounds insulting 🙂
AGplusone: 😛
ddavitt: As if writing isn’t a real job
AGplusone: note the little tongue sticking out
SAcademy: Rocket to the Morgue, and other mysteries. He edited F&SF magazine.
ddavitt: He’s the one who did Rocket To The Morgue
ddavitt: GMTA
SAcademy: Along with Mick MacComas.
ddavitt: The Mick from the dedication?
geeairmoe2 has left the room.
Dehede03: Believe it or not I bought Rocket….. a few years back off the shelf.
DavidWrightSr: Wasn’t he the one that told Robert early on that you never stopped being a writer?
ddavitt: Yes.
SAcademy: Yes, that would be he.
ddavitt: I got Rocket a few months back; fun!
Gaeltachta: Same here……
AGplusone: What I’m wondering about is the role models for the personalities of
Dehede03: Still in print.
AGplusone: John and Jenny Sutton
SAcademy: It’s where Gifford’s press name comes from.
ddavitt: is it? mine was used
ddavitt: that’s right
Gaeltachta: I bought a *new* copy…….
Dehede03: Wasn’t one book dedicated to “Sarge?”
AGplusone: were the Bouchers at all like the “Suttons” in personality — not asking about nudism
ddavitt: Yes; Starship
SAcademy: Starshhip Troopers I think was dedicated to Sarge.
Dehede03: Thanks Jane
ddavitt: I have a list by me with them all
AGplusone: (or the “Whites” … ?)
Dehede03: and SAcademy
Gaeltachta: “Sarge” Arthur George Smith
AGplusone: [John and Jenny, of course, being the characters in the story into whose backyard, so to speak, Dan
AGplusone: drops in]
ddavitt: Yes…that was funny; their being nude really threw him
ddavitt: threw
ddavitt: He didn’t know if he’d made it back to 1970 or not
Dehede03: Oops, I had thought John and Jenny were RAH & Ginny
ddavitt: nice twist
AGplusone: 🙂
OakMan 7111: another example of a heinlein hero leraning that no every one did things the way he did
Dehede03: Sorry
AGplusone: RAH making himself a Lawyer? Good Lord!
DavidWrightSr: John was a lawyer!!
ddavitt: They didn’t feel like that
ddavitt: They were nice but ordinary
Dehede03: the mind of John felt incisive
DenvToday: Horrible thought. Only thing worse would be a literary critic.
DavidWrightSr: Of course, didn’t you know? All of RAH’s characters were himself 😀
Gaeltachta: They seemed like nice people…….. for nudists! j/k
ddavitt: I have to go eat. I will stay online. brb
AGplusone: come back … we need to decide on a topic
AGplusone: we once had a topic–lawyers in Heinlein–is it time for that again?
DenvToday: I’ve been on a “juvenile” binge this week. Citizen of the Galaxy, Starman Jones, The Rolling Stones.
DenvToday: All since Monday.
AGplusone: Miles vs. Sutton … etc. …
OakMan 7111: I envy you Ron
Dehede03: And I am re-reading my all time favorite, TEFL
DenvToday: I fell in love with Hazel Stone all over again.
Dehede03: I haven’t plumbed that one’s depth yet.
DavidWrightSr: I’m 999 pages throught the German version of ‘The Past Through Tomorrow’ only 100 or so to go
AGplusone: There’s another thing in Door Into Summer that I always loved …
AGplusone: the figure of the great failed scientist … Tesla, I really believe
AGplusone: considering that he really conducted all those experiments in Colorado
Dehede03: BRB – my lunch of bean soup has turned vicious
AGplusone: do we have any ‘great failed scientist’ figures today … the cold fisson or fusion guys, for example?
DavidWrightSr: You mean that the inventor of the time machine was supposed to be based on Tesla?
AGplusone: I always thought so, perhaps, Dave
DavidWrightSr: Interesting.
AGplusone: What great failed scientific discoveries do we have today that looked promising in 1970?
AGplusone: Are there any?
Gaeltachta: Scientists don’t seem as famous nowadays………
DenvToday: We’re still working on fusion–cold or otherwise.
AGplusone: that is true, Sean …
Dehede03: It isn’t a great one, but the channel wing airplane
DJedPar: Ginny, do you have any idea who Jenny was based on?
Gaeltachta: So if they fail…… no one knows……
Dehede03: We have the volantor 400 testing this summer after years of experimentation.
AGplusone: is the channel wing the one that is based on sunpower and flies effectively as long as there’s sun
DavidWrightSr: Well, we can now dictate and have a machine print it out.
AGplusone: shinning down on it
AGplusone: or something else, Ron?
Dehede03: No the channel wing had a C shaped wing wrapping around the bottom half of the prop
DavidWrightSr: So ‘Dictation Daisy’ is real.
AGplusone: It is … I’ve been trying IBMs ViaVoice lately
AGplusone: and the Drafting Dan is just a program now
Dehede03: But the Volantor 400, if successful will totally change transportation
SAcademy: I am afraid I don’t have any idea who Jenny was based on.
AGplusone: Nice portrait — Jenny’s character.
DJedPar: 😎
AGplusone: 😀
DavidWrightSr: Amused at Dan for never having put his invention to use for himself.
AGplusone: Yes …
DavidWrightSr: As I mentioned Thursday, the remote teller machine is now a reality.
AGplusone: It’s them trees out thar, kain’t hardly see the forest.
AGplusone: The voder … Stephen Hawking!
Dehede03: Dave you forgot to add “no how.”
DJedPar: Aren’t the current CAD drafting programs, Drafting Dan?
AGplusone: Yes, that’s what I thought I referred to …
Dehede03: In a sense but wasn’t drafting dan mechanical
AGplusone: except he didn’t anticipate the “mouse” ….
Dehede03: CAD is strictly a piece of software
Gaeltachta: Cars were mentioned …. any scientific development there?
DJedPar: Maybe he disliked rats!
AGplusone: perhaps … maybe Pixel ate all the mice that showed up
DavidWrightSr: in 1955, the paradigm of computers still hadn’t taken hold, so mechanical was the normal way to think
AGplusone: Or Pete!!!!
Gaeltachta: Both in 1970 and 2001….
DJedPar: 😉
Dehede03: But consider that the desktop came around 1980 and in NOB he had a pretty good representation
AGplusone: Which of RAH’s cats was most like Pete, Ginny? Did he ever train one to travel
DenvToday: Yet to be invented: sausage, black olive and pepperoni pizza for under 500 calories.
AGplusone: in a bag, or drink ginger ale?
AGplusone: Or know one …. ?
AGplusone: that did
SAcademy: Pete was our Pixie–Blassingame Pixilated Arroyo
AGplusone: Every once in a while, someone says Door would be the easier one of his novels
DenvToday: Wonderful name. I wish mine was as impressive.
AGplusone: to make a movie, but I keep thinking, how would you get a cat to play Pete.
DenvToday: Computer Graphics for Pete.
DJedPar: Ask Snowy. He do it in a minute.
SAcademy: Oh, they were all impressive. We also had Taffrail Lord Plusbottom
AGplusone: Have to have a lot of takes to get “Pete’s finest hour!” …
DenvToday: lol
AGplusone: and lots of dead extras for Belle and Miles
SAcademy: Anyone remember the Pirate?
Dehede03: With the special effects we have today Pete’s finest hour might not be too tough.
DenvToday: Eliot would have been impressed by that name!
AGplusone: Some how Pete always put me in mind of a Bobcat … j/k
Dehede03: SA, I don’t remember the pirate but that tickles my memory.
AGplusone: Pirate is the one in Puppet Masters
DavidWrightSr: Jane and David. I’m going to have to leave for a while. I have two machines recording, but…
AGplusone: right
DavidWrightSr: should you see both of us drop out, could you please record and send me the log.
AGplusone: ‘kay, Dave
DavidWrightSr: Thanks. Try to get back soon.
AGplusone: The thing we don’t have … is supercats! Now if Andre Norton had ever met Robert, maybe they could
AGplusone: have bred a species … Pete, plus her genetically enhanced cats, a la Star Man’s Son …
DJedPar: Speaking of cats, does anyone else think the Heinlein crater on Mars looks like Taffy?
Dehede03: Isn’t it strange that we have superintelligent talking mules & dogs in SF but not cats.
OakMan 7111: Pride of Chanur
AGplusone: except for Norton’s ones …
Dehede03: Pride of chanur has them OM??
Dehede03: Great
DenvToday: Ron, I think it’s because most cats would consider having human intellect a comedown.
AGplusone: maybe we feel that a superintelligent cat would take over the world and do away with us?
OakMan 7111: Nope they’d keep us around to handle refrigerator doors
Dehede03: There are two Rons here. May I be Dee??
DenvToday: Of course.
AGplusone: Or have us make refrigerator doors they can open easier than they already do?
OakMan 7111: I suspect that they >like< having us open doors
AGplusone: Put a little piece of wood on the bottom of the door they can hook their claws into …
DJedPar: There’s an idea – a cat door for the fridge.
AGplusone: problem is you’d have to make the door very light so they can get out when they find the light doesn’t
Dehede03: Right and make getting under the sink easier for toddlers
AGplusone: stay on.
Dehede03: LOL
DenvToday: A cat with opposable thumbs would rule the world in short order.
Dehede03: That sounds like Little Fuzzy
AGplusone: Not sure they don’t have opposable thumbs already … I’ve watched mine open wooden doors into rooms
AGplusone: by hooking his claw underneath
AGplusone: and pulling
AGplusone: so long as the latch isn’t fully caught he can do it
SAcademy: Does Bob do that?
OakMan 7111: I wonder if the ability to figure out the environment of man is unique to cats and dogs
AGplusone: Yes, all the time
Dehede03: If we did a feast for RAH’s birthday what should be the menu.
AGplusone: I can’t keep him in a room
OakMan 7111: or if other species could do it, if we made pets of them
Gaeltachta: These cat inventions go against the master-servant relationship….
AGplusone: which makes it interesting when someone visits with a dog
Gaeltachta: Cats don’t *wan’t* these tasks….
AGplusone: because he is very territorial
OakMan 7111: I agree Sean
SAcademy: I can keep Snowy in a room by staying there myself.
DenvToday: “Women and cats will do as they please. Men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea.” – RAH
Gaeltachta: Yes…. that’s the quote!
Dehede03: Pretty girls and butterflys……..
AGplusone: Odd, in Summer, they experimented with cats …
AGplusone: with cold sleep.
AGplusone: Didn’t think they did a lot of that.
OakMan 7111: In Aliens, Ripley saves the cat and takes it into cold sleep with her
Gaeltachta: The cat in _Alien_ “Jonesy”….
OakMan 7111: gmta
SAcademy: They do use cats in psychology experiments!
DenvToday: Starcat Jones?
Gaeltachta: 🙂
AGplusone: wonder what position PETA (yuck) takes on cats being used. I’ve heard they think them slaves and best
AGplusone: subjects for extinction.
DJedPar: The Aliens cat looked like Pixel
AGplusone: At least that’s what they say when they demand license fees and leash laws for them
OakMan 7111: Peta wants leash laws???
AGplusone: Yeah, and $300 license fees for unspayed cats.
DenvToday: Oak, PETA is in favor of anything–as long as it’s mandatory.
AGplusone: [that fortunately went no where before the LA City Council a year ago]
OakMan 7111: Amazing. there seems to be no good idea that cannot be made bad by putting it into
DenvToday: I’d be in favor of a $300 fee for unspayed PETA memebers.
OakMan 7111: the hands of a few dogmatics
Dehede03: The councilmen wanted to stay in office?
AGplusone: I think so …
AGplusone: Denv: LOL
DenvToday: Dogmatics and catmatics
Gaeltachta: Was it a cat I saw?
OakMan 7111: No these seem more like Ass-mathics
OakMan 7111: gee, it wasn’t that bad a pun…
DenvToday: lol It was quite good!
AGplusone: It’s odd, another thing about prediction … can we say anything about his ever making
AGplusone: a true ‘political’ prediction about form of government that wasn’t a mind experiment?
AGplusone: a la, Starship Troopers, or Moon Is A Harsh Mistress?
DJedPar: That’s a tough question.
AGplusone: It seems he made a lot of examples, good and bad …
DenvToday: Thank goodness Rev. Scudder hasn’t taken power–yet.
AGplusone: the abbreviated administrative process in Star Beast for example
AGplusone: as a good one.
SAcademy: We both predicted the 1964 election, and got out of the country in time.
OakMan 7111: Our President’s favorite philospher was Jesus, so we’re getting there
AGplusone: “Do unto others … ”
SAcademy: I didn’t like either one., so I didn’t vote.
AGplusone: can we think of other ‘good predictions’ made from any of the books?
AGplusone: examplars of improvements?
Dehede03: Looks like the sun screen is coming along
SAcademy: Depends on what you call improvements.
AGplusone: The Troopers’ mandated ‘responsibility’ …
DenvToday: TEFL starts with the perfect form of government–a benevolent dictatorship tempered…
DJedPar: The water bed?
DenvToday: …by the occasional assassination.
AGplusone: sorta tough on the glorious leader, of course ….
OakMan 7111: Keeps him on his toes
DenvToday: AG, it keeps politicians humble.
Dehede03: Gotta go guys, time for dinner.
OakMan 7111: bye de
AGplusone: maybe what goes on today in news reporting of private lives is ‘an occasional assassination’
SAcademy: Bye Ron
DenvToday: Bye Dee.
Dehede03: Bye folks.
Dehede03 has left the room.
SAcademy: He really slammed the door, didn’t he?
DenvToday: lol
AGplusone: the business about the two Bush girls a form of close miss to keep the benevolent dictator’s mind on
AGplusone: something besides ‘bidness’? 🙂
DJedPar: 😀
AGplusone: poor kids
OakMan 7111: a couple of folks who could have embaressed Clinton ended up dead
AGplusone:
DJedPar: Is that surprising?
DenvToday: The problem with press “assassinations” is that the scoundrels (such as Clinton) ignore it, and the..
SAcademy: Quite a few of them if you read Drudge!
DenvToday: …good ones (such as …um..uh…) won’t run because of it.
AGplusone: do you really think they ignore it, Ron … ?
AGplusone: I’d think it wears them down.
DenvToday: David, perhaps not ignore. But a Clinton simply can’t be embarrassed.
SAcademy: LOL
AGplusone: keeps them from really getting into a serious malignant dictatorship
AGplusone: maybe
DenvToday: Actually, I did think of a good politician. Barry Goldwater. To a lesser extent, Reagan.
ddavitt: I’m back and all full of lime and cilantro salmon in pitta bread.
DenvToday: Yum!
ddavitt: The Bush girls makes me laugh; they’re 19!
DJedPar: Bring me some, please.
OakMan 7111: Maybe, we’ll see if Hillary tries to continue the reign of the royal family
ddavitt: Legal age is 18 in UK so i can’t get worked up over it
AGplusone: I thought it was sixteen
ddavitt: All gone.:-(
ddavitt: No; that’s sex.
DenvToday: Oak, scoundrels always try. What’s depressing is that the mob allows them to do it.
ddavitt: Logic/ We don’t need no stinkin’ logic…
DenvToday: Bye the mob, I mean the poplulace, not Don Corleone. Although Hillary wouldn’t be above it.
ddavitt: Can be a married and/or a mother but can’t drink or vote
AGplusone: Seems to me, if a president doesn’t attact assassination attempts, Drudge type even, then
AGplusone: he’s not doing enough to bother with.
AGplusone: ‘tother side of the society becoming inbred
OakMan 7111: Or they’re more worried about the Veep
AGplusone: [there’s that too]
ddavitt: Are you all done on the topic then? Or is this just the natural drift towards politics? 🙂
DenvToday: Jane, I’ve been amused by the way the American media are SHOCKED that 19-year-old college…
ddavitt: And alcohol…and food….
DenvToday: …students try to order liquor.
AGplusone: No, we’re talking about political predictions, Jane … what ones did RAH make?
ddavitt: Heh:-)
ddavitt: I was in pubs from about 17.
AGplusone: politics doesn’t play much of a role in Door Into Summer, why is dat?
SAcademy: So was I Jane.
ddavitt: made an idiot of myself, got a few hangovers, learned my lesson
OakMan 7111: As if there weren’t any in the future
AGplusone: If it’s his most predictive novel, why didn’t he predict political changes?
ddavitt: Too touchy
ddavitt: Or realised that they might be unrecognisable
AGplusone: maybe they don’t really matter enough to bother with … you suffer politics IRL
OakMan 7111: Or his editors took them out?
Gaeltachta: I think his economics lesson was…… expect the unexpected…..
ddavitt: Or just not part of Dan’ s POV; he was an inventor and quite an intovert
ddavitt: introvert
AGplusone: if they bomb Sandia, if you’re upwind, then live goes on
AGplusone: life
ddavitt: It’s his take on it, not an overview
SAcademy: Have to learn sometime.
ddavitt: Oh yes.
AGplusone: The ‘changes’ occur because of what? An international political event … a war?
ddavitt: One thing about Door that provokes some comment on afh is the atitude towards spaying cats.
OakMan 7111: What about the future of Friday – seems like that’s where we’re headed, sometimes
ddavitt: Did Mr heinlein change his views on that at al?
AGplusone: that’s true
ddavitt: It’s so necessary now, with the humane societies full and feral cats on the rise
AGplusone: one way we’ll be governed is ‘divide and conquer’ …
OakMan 7111: Microsoft versus AOL?
ddavitt: I felt a pang when we had our two done but the Humane society insist when you adopt
AGplusone: California vs. Texas will leave it open for that
AGplusone: by-n-by
DenvToday: Jane, I’m sure your cats are very happy.
ddavitt: Belle was made to seem a villain for wanting to have Pete fixed..
OakMan 7111: Presumably, CA is trying to get Alaska to ally with it, to insure sufficient energy?
DJedPar: Belle was an archvillain!
AGplusone: governments will matter less and less, because there will be a break in the connection and …
ddavitt: Wel, I don’t know but I don’t want them making kittens that end up where we rescue them from
OakMan 7111: Belle would have enjoyed watching Pete get fixed
AGplusone: confusion and government won’t matter
ddavitt: Our friend is a vet who goes there each month to put down the ones that noone chose; harrowing job
DJedPar: The bitch!
ddavitt: She had bad motives
ddavitt: But spaying/neutering isn’t evil
DenvToday: IMHO, RAH was against anything that robbed the individual of his/her nature. That would include…
DenvToday: …fixing, I think.
AGplusone: Do feral cats really do anything that matters, except keep you awake nights in your back alley?
ddavitt: Sure..but it’s needed.
OakMan 7111: And Belle was using Pete as a standin for Dan.
ddavitt: They die.
OakMan 7111: Ferals die quite sadly
ddavitt: They live hungry and unloved.
DJedPar: In farmland they freeze to death on the road.
AGplusone: well, so too do all living things
OakMan 7111: But Cats are different, david
AGplusone: including human beans
ddavitt: Well, all our cats but one have been fixed.
Gaeltachta: Feral cats here kill native animals…….
AGplusone: how do we know they die any more sadly than Bob will die, pampered and fat?
ddavitt: I think they have had longer lives, safer lives. As a ‘parent’, it’s a choice I made
AGplusone: Bob kills native animals …
AGplusone: haven’t had hummingbirds since we got him
DenvToday: Jane, I’m sure you made the right choice.
AGplusone: nesting, anyway
DJedPar: That’s true about living longer.
ddavitt: Mac brought in abird and a chipmunk today. He is on a killing spree
Gaeltachta: Yeah….. so does Rebel…… but not as many……
OakMan 7111: David, pets animals are not meant to be abandoned
AGplusone: I agree
AGplusone: but, assume they’ve been abandoned, what difference does it make that they are around
DenvToday: Oak, many are. A friend of mine runs an animal shelter in CA. People abandon their pets in the…
ddavitt: It’s nature…but so am I so if I can I rescue them.
DenvToday: …mountains when they’re tired of them.
OakMan 7111: But we cannot, litterally cannot, make pets of the number of cats that can be born each year
AGplusone: agree … and we never did …
AGplusone: been feral cats since the dawn of time
OakMan 7111: I used to go with a group to the UMASS dorms 3 days after the end of the school year
AGplusone: who do they bother except people who think their sleep is being interrupted
OakMan 7111: We usually found about a dozen cats left with a bowl of water to last them the summer
DenvToday: However, the same holds true about deer hunting. PETA types do their best to obstruct hunting, but..
ddavitt: david, that isn’t a factor; I’ve never been disturbed by them, at night
OakMan 7111: Their pai bothers me, David.
DenvToday: …thousands of deer freeze and starve to death during out winter.
OakMan 7111: pain
ddavitt: I just hate to see them half starved and scared
DenvToday: our winter, that is.
AGplusone: bothers me too, yet it’s their life …
ddavitt: Plus, in Canada we have rabies
AGplusone: get rabid squirrels here
ddavitt: Which makes them a potential danger to humans
OakMan 7111: Ron, I agree. I have some concerns about Hunters culling the best instead of the worst
ddavitt: or our pet cats
AGplusone: if they’re rabid they kill off the squirrels in the parks by poison
OakMan 7111: but other than that, the herds must be culled
SAcademy: College kids would take cats out to the country and abandon them there.
DenvToday: Oak, I agree.
ddavitt: Scum!
AGplusone: haven’t got around to spaying squirrels yet
ddavitt: You have to do what you can david.
DenvToday: David, that’s why God invented cars.
AGplusone: … at least I think they haven’t …
OakMan 7111: They’re trying to chemically spay the Beaver in western mass
AGplusone: probably be spraying them with oral contraceptives eventually
DenvToday: Oak, you might want to rephrase that. lol
AGplusone: really?
ddavitt: For me, that means not adding to the cat population if the resultant kittens will be killed
OakMan 7111: the swimming flattailed rodents population?
AGplusone: well, that’s your responsibility, Jane … but why spay them?
DenvToday: much better. rofl
ddavitt: I wouldn’t have had babies if i thought they would be born to hunger and pain.
AGplusone: why don’t you just get them the pill, or inplants
ddavitt: I don’t like to keep cats in.
ddavitt: If they go out, they will get pregnant/impregnate others
ddavitt: fact of life
DJedPar: They live a lot longer if they stay in.
AGplusone: So will your daughters
OakMan 7111: Born to Die is not something I would wish on any member of a species that had the
ddavitt: Tho here in canda, cats are kept in lots more than UK; i get barbed comments
DJedPar: Ditto.
OakMan 7111: special agreement we’ve made with dogs and cats
DenvToday: Farnham’s Freehold. Slaves were fixed.
AGplusone: where did the dog and the cat sign up for that?
ddavitt: You are anthromprhosizing
OakMan 7111: Want Kipling’s theory?
ddavitt: spelling..but you know what I mean
AGplusone: sure ….
SAcademy: Yes, please.
OakMan 7111: It was warmer and they got fed
ddavitt: cat Who walks…
ddavitt: Good story
AGplusone: Well, next time my neighbor gets hungry I can feed him and then spay him too?
DenvToday: SA, as I mentioned before, I reread The Rolling Stones this week. Did David Gerrold every…
OakMan 7111: But the Dog agreed to do whatever man wanted – the Cat couldn’t accept slavery – he wanted a partners
OakMan 7111: hip
DenvToday: ever, that is…ever give RAH credit for Tribbles?
OakMan 7111: damn AOL for their new typing limits
DenvToday: I agree Oak. grrrr
ddavitt: I thought he did and heinlein said he had the plot from a story about pigs?
OakMan 7111: I may create a front end for IM that parses out long lines into a series of acceptable ones
AGplusone: which I’m willing to give him (a partnership) … Bob wandered into my back yard one day and said, “Hi
ddavitt: That would be good
AGplusone: I’m willing to live here as long as you feed me.”
SAcademy: Yes, Jane, “Pigs is pigs” by Ellis Parker Butler.
AGplusone: In return for which, I’ll rule you every day.
SAcademy: It’s a howlingly funny story.
OakMan 7111: And you were honored?
ddavitt: That’s because you’re a man; I”M head cat in our house:-)
OakMan 7111: ROFL
AGplusone: Sure. And I’ll put up with a little spraying around the house, if I catch him, I’ll put him outside.
ddavitt: Spraying isn’t fun. It’s hard to clean up
AGplusone: I know where my wife keeps the amonia under the sink.
AGplusone: Been there, done that.
ddavitt: No!
ddavitt: Bleach is the same smell as they make; they spray more, thinking it’s a rival
ddavitt: Use something non ammonia
AGplusone: bleach is different than ammonia
ddavitt: Well, ammonia then
SAcademy: Bleach and ammonia are quite different!
ddavitt: David is lying on the floor lecturing me about chemicals now
ddavitt: While he plays with Lauren. I am chastened
AGplusone: soap works well
ddavitt: But it’s still the case about the smell
AGplusone: so …
AGplusone: I smell
ddavitt: I read it when our cats in UK were weeing all over the place.
ddavitt: Only cats we ever had who did that.
AGplusone: I submit that spraying and howling away in the night is insufficient reason to alter cats
ddavitt: It is. I agree.
ddavitt: That’s not why i do it.
SAcademy: Robert thought so.
ddavitt: But maybe that’s enough on this? Agree to differ?
AGplusone: yes, but too many use the poor dying kittens as an excuse …
OakMan 7111: David, I think you should see if you can find a vet anywhere who will tell you that cats
AGplusone: most of them have never seen a starving kitten
ddavitt: No excuse; I’ve seen them
OakMan 7111: should not be spayed
AGplusone: don’t care what the vet says
AGplusone: he makes money catering to what his clients want
DJedPar: That vet will be gard to find.
ddavitt: i move a subject change.
DJedPar: Hard
OakMan 7111: Okay, then we are talking your belief system and we need to change the subject
ddavitt: At least to sort out next topic
AGplusone: but that is a belief system encompassed in Door
DJedPar: Great idea
ddavitt: SA; do you have a topic you’d like to see us discuss?
AGplusone: Last thought: is it possibly an allegory?
SAcademy: I can’t think of one now.
DJedPar: Please?
ddavitt: If you ever do…
OakMan 7111: Okay, you’re right – there are also suggestions in some RAH that Lawyers are
ddavitt: we will give it priority
OakMan 7111: ….
ddavitt: Could be AG; Dan thought so.
ddavitt: Might be warning that Belle is not all she seems
OakMan 7111: but I think there are some good lawyers and some good reasons to encouraging birth control among our
OakMan 7111: pets
ddavitt: Funny; I had to look this up
ddavitt: He says she remembers Roosevelt being President
Gaeltachta: My cat Rebel was “altered” quite early….. but still lives up to his name….
ddavitt: And so may be older than 23ish
ddavitt: I had to check this
ddavitt: But it just fits
AGplusone: Maybe Belle is the “Big Nanny” we’ve all come to love and accept? 😉
Gaeltachta: He follows me 500 meters up the road….. then stops…….
ddavitt: I wondered if it was a different time line
Gaeltachta: ….. a big dog lives near there…….
ddavitt: She would have been about 3
ddavitt: Sometimes hard to remember how old some of the books are; they seems so fresh
DJedPar: Timeless books, all of them.
ddavitt: But Door is 44 years old!
AGplusone: It’s 2001. Door is fresh as yesterday. Dan just came through.
AGplusone: the second time
ddavitt: Wow…and we are where he cold slept to; that’s why i suggested this topic.
ddavitt: Seemed so interesting!
DJedPar: Good topic.
ddavitt: So; who wants now and who wants dan’s version?
OakMan 7111: I want a space station. I was promised a space station by 2001
ddavitt: Nearly got one
Gaeltachta: I remember reading Door in the 70’s…… Wondering about 2001….
ddavitt: I want a holiday on the moon
ddavitt: Me too; late 1970’s
AGplusone: I want a robot to do house cleaning!
OakMan 7111: I want to retire to the moon and live to be 300
ddavitt: See you there:-)
ddavitt: Watch me fly in the Bats Cave
DJedPar: I want Friday to be my friend.
OakMan 7111: You bet – we’ll dance a waltz in Zero G
AGplusone: … just clean the house.
SAcademy: You probably wouldn’t like living to be 300. Life gets tiring.
AGplusone: So I can do ‘other things’!
ddavitt: I’ll pack my dancing shoes
Gaeltachta: I wanna make fun of “ground-hogs”……
ddavitt: So lazarus found out…
SAcademy: Ice skates! Imagine the jumps!
ddavitt: But I would like a bit longer than the current span if i could be healthy at the same time
ddavitt: Good cross post from a skating group once on afh Ginny
ddavitt: They read the Puddin story about skating
OakMan 7111: I’m just wondering if in low g, my hair will stop thinning out
ddavitt: We had a thread about skating on the moon; would the ice float away
SAcademy: Really? Jane tell me about it? Please
ddavitt: Would it hold an edge
ddavitt: I will look it up on Google for you
ddavitt: Thye were very nice people
Gaeltachta: On Mars?…….
ddavitt: What cross posters should be; they came, asked a question, chatted and left
Gaeltachta: Or the Moon?……. I can’t remember?
ddavitt: It was about 2 years ago so i can’t recall all details
ddavitt: AG?
ddavitt: Do you?
SAcademy: If you can find it Jane, I’d like to read it.
ddavitt: I will; Google is up now and goes back to 1995
SAcademy: I didn’t know.
Gaeltachta: I remember talk about skating in Red Planet….. whether that was possible or not? Different thread?
DJedPar: Get on skates in low G and you won’t worry about hair.
SAcademy: Figure skating–not speed stuff.
ddavitt: It may have been Sean; i started that one IIRC
Gaeltachta: Yeah…. about 12 months ago (I think)
ddavitt: Heinlein said in Grumbles that he had an error in RP that none spotted; turned out that at low temps,
ddavitt: ice skates don’t cut an edge
ddavitt: But he had to have the boys skating for the story
DJedPar: That’s true
ddavitt: I wanted to know what the error was; that was it we decided
ddavitt: Heinlein didn’t give details
SAcademy: No school figures?
DJedPar: It’s a very good guess.
ddavitt: It seemed reasonable
SAcademy: The ice melts as you skate over it.
DJedPar: Ginny are you still thinking about skating again?
SAcademy: Because of your weight.
SAcademy: I’d love to., but I can’t get to the rink. Dont drive anymore.
ddavitt: He says it involved a too low crystallization point of water in Grumbles
DJedPar: At 50 below F ice doesn’t melt.
ddavitt: Was making the point that Alice didn’t spot it but was moaning about science errors
SAcademy: Not even from weight on it?
DJedPar: Alice was a stupid B.
DJedPar: No, I tried it. Rough ride.
AGplusone: clueless is maybe a better description … and vicious is what I read from the letters
ddavitt: Heinlein knew it was wrong but decided it wasn’t going to get spotted; didn’t forsee us nitpickers:-)
SAcademy: Well, who said it was fifty below anywqy? It mmight be warmer.
DJedPar: 😀
ddavitt: We don’t know how cold it was on mars anyway…
ddavitt: I think he might give a figure in RP; but it’s not that important.
DJedPar: No, I meant it was 50 below once when I tried it.
ddavitt: At one point the ice melts in the day so it can’t have been that cold
SAcademy: AT what point does it stop melting as you apply weight?
DJedPar: There goes the engineer again.
OakMan 7111: I need to be going now. Take care of yourselves, and your cats
SAcademy: Why not??
DenvToday: Bye Oak.
DJedPar: Bye
DenvToday: Take care!
OakMan 7111: bye
OakMan 7111 has left the room.
AGplusone: When you tried it, Denis, what happened? Below 50?
SAcademy: Bye.
DJedPar: I nearly froze to death, forgot about skating.
AGplusone: screeching halt?
ddavitt: Ginny, if you go to Deja/google, advanced search, type in skating and altfanheinlein
ddavitt: You will get the thread
AGplusone: I can see that, but, assuming you’re thermally protected, is it possible to skate somehow?
DJedPar: The colder it gets the worse you play hockey. No grab.
SAcademy: Okay, Thanks Jane I will try it.
ddavitt: Called ‘Heinlein skating story” in may 1999
AGplusone: Double blades, the teeth used on front of figure skates?
ddavitt: About 30 posts in it.
AGplusone: Anything possible to give more control at that temp?
SAcademy: Not double, they’re hollow ground.
DJedPar: Do you skate with toothy skates in hockey?
AGplusone: Of course not
ddavitt: Eleanor learned to skate this year but I still haven’t; all Canadians seem born skaters
DJedPar: 😀
AGplusone: Just wondering if something could make it possible to do so.
ddavitt: Why can figure skaters do so much more now/ better skates? Training?
SAcademy: Denis has Canadian and U. S. citizensip.
ddavitt: Women doing triples as unheard of 20 years ago
DJedPar: Thanks Ginny. Skaters now have more support from fans.
ddavitt: Do you skate then Denis?
SAcademy: You bet. Triple jumps. They do now.
DJedPar: Yes.
AGplusone: Heated skates?
ddavitt: Ok, I have to go and put babies in bed.
DJedPar: That’s a thought. Heated socks too.
ddavitt: let me know about the topic
AGplusone: Well, yeah, that too.
SAcademy: You can’t heat skates, the metal would lose its temper.
AGplusone: Some metal that might stand up to heat?
AGplusone: Without losing temper?
DJedPar: Robert would have figured out a plan.
AGplusone: I’m planning how I skate on Mars when I get there.
AGplusone: Or maybe a moon of Jupiter
AGplusone: Is it Europa that’s got all the ice.
ddavitt has left the room.
SAcademy: And I would have told him “You can’t do that/”
DJedPar: You would! And he would have smiled.
AGplusone: Give an engineer a slide rule and an imagination to put it on and he’ll move the world
DJedPar: Or she!
AGplusone: that too … wonder if that was original
DJedPar: Ginny’s a good engineer.
AGplusone: someone had to have said it before
DJedPar: She’s never told me why there are 2 gas pedals on Roberts car.
SAcademy: Sorry. I didn’t mean to interrupt the discussion.
AGplusone: There were two?
AGplusone: One on the right side as well?
DJedPar: Uhuh…
SAcademy: He used the left footed one. I used the other one.
DJedPar: I’m trying to picture that with both of you in the car.
SAcademy: Just hang it up on the special rack for that.
AGplusone: I have an imaginary brake pedal I use when I sit on the right side when my daughter drives …
SAcademy: Separately.
DJedPar: :-[
AGplusone: Well, we need a topic for next time …
SAcademy: Or have it removed.
DJedPar: Back to skating on Mars?
AGplusone: Sean?
Gaeltachta: David?
SAcademy: No to the topic.
Gaeltachta: 🙂
Gaeltachta: I’m thinking……..
AGplusone: How ’bout ‘aliens’?
AGplusone: Did we ever do that?
DJedPar: That sounds good. Lots of aliens.
Gaeltachta: What about possible Heinlein films?…….. Everyone runs with this topic on AFH?
DJedPar: That’s good too – films.
AGplusone: How ’bout scripting one … but which one?
AGplusone: I’ve been listening to the old radio shows …
AGplusone: the script changes in the two I’ve found are a little interesting
SAcademy: Do you have those on tapes?
AGplusone: There’s a site that has “universe”
AGplusone: Jon linked it to our webpage
SAcademy: The whole thing? It’s half an hour, isn’t it?
AGplusone: And I have the copy of Elephants that Neil scripted
AGplusone: Yes.
AGplusone: And there are others available.
SAcademy: The old radio plays seem to be in the public domain now.
AGplusone: use the link at the far bottom in the heinleinsociety.org
AGplusone: page to find the Universe show. NBC show
Gaeltachta: Are the interesting changes due to the different medium?
AGplusone: They must be …
DJedPar: Thanks.
AGplusone: I’d think so.
AGplusone: And some due to continuity I think
Gaeltachta: Yes…… So, what further changes could we expect in filmed versions?….
SAcademy: They use a narrator for that. don’t they? I don’t remember.
AGplusone: In Elephants, they used another character Neil invented
AGplusone: A sort of fair barker that tags along with the man
AGplusone: blithering in his ear
SAcademy: There were three or four of those radio shows. Xerox put them in the public domain.
AGplusone: In Universe they have a narrator, but they use a truncation of the events
AGplusone: to get Hugh exiled
AGplusone: the old historian is changed a bit into a plot device
Gaeltachta: I’ll have a look at the Universe link….. What about “Common Sense”?
AGplusone: Haven’t heard it yet …
AGplusone: Green Hills is another
Gaeltachta: Does it exist I mean?
AGplusone: I may have to order it
AGplusone: Dunno
AGplusone: but there are several that were done
SAcademy: Yes, with Burl Ives
AGplusone: as Ginny said
AGplusone: They are listed, some of them, via the link Jon put up at the bottom of our links pg
DJedPar: What?
AGplusone: others can be ordered
AGplusone: or downloaded for $
Gaeltachta: I borrowed an audio tape from my local library……..
AGplusone: hold on and I’ll dig up a e mail that lists them
Gaeltachta: Leonard Nimoy narrating Green Hills of Earth…. and Gentlemen, Be Seated
SAcademy: That was recorded on a record. I don’t think they had it for anything else.
SAcademy: It’s like trying to hold a handful of sand!!!
DJedPar: Nimoy did a good job there.
Gaeltachta: I enjoyed it……
AGplusone: http://www.old-time.com/sponsors/radiomemories/regular/index.html
SAcademy: It tells me “page cannot be displayed.”
AGplusone: “The Green Hills of Earth,” “Destination Moon,” “The Roads Must Roll,” “Universe,” and “Requiem.”
AGplusone: You have to type the entire two lines in …
SAcademy: I used it as a link.
DJedPar: A friend of mine got a 10 tape version of Mistress but she couldn’t tell me where it came from.
AGplusone: Hmm
SAcademy: Blackstone Audio does it.
DenvToday: Whoever recorded it must have been a fast speaker.
AGplusone: The same site lined from our site has versions of Stranger, Troopers, and Friday available
AGplusone: Friday, IIRC runs seventeen hours
DJedPar: Wow!
SAcademy: Even TEFL is available on tapes.
AGplusone: And Stranger is in two parts …
SAcademy: I just got a copy of it.
AGplusone: at about double that size. That’s right, TEFL is on that site too
AGplusone: They can all be downloaded
DJedPar: Is Starbeast on tape?
AGplusone: and played on computer
SAcademy: Stranger, too.
SAcademy: No, Denis
DJedPar: 🙁
AGplusone: We may have a copy of Red Planet available too, shortly.
DenvToday: I’ve heard the Double Star audio tape. I wasn’t crazy about the actor.
SAcademy: Who knows? It might be in the future.
AGplusone: Ginny gave a teacher’s organization permission to record it for a project they’re doing with
AGplusone: ‘special education’ students.
SAcademy: I did? I didn’;t know that. I suspect it’s piracy
AGplusone: Yes, Double Star was also listed ….
SAcademy: And I didn’t do that either. I know I didn’t.
AGplusone: Sure, remember that letter from the ‘reading from the future’ group, you referred them to
AGplusone: Eleanor, and she said okay.
SAcademy: Eleanor?
AGplusone: They’re going to be demonstrating their research results at Phil Con
AGplusone: Woods?
SAcademy: Wood.
AGplusone: Wood
AGplusone: reading for the future is the name of the group
AGplusone: It’s the group Brin, Baer, and Binford sponsor
SAcademy: Okay. I have to back her up.
AGplusone: They are restricting access to the recording completely, Ginny
AGplusone: Just their project
DJedPar: Eleanor in deep doodoo?
SAcademy: No. If I told her okay, it’s okay, But I don’t remember it.
SAcademy: Guess I’;m slipping.
AGplusone: I have a couple e mail referring to it.
AGplusone: I’ll send them along …
SAcademy: Thank you David.
DJedPar: Topic?
AGplusone: They’re very grateful, by the way, for the permission. It’s a good project
AGplusone: Kids who basically cannot read
SAcademy: Okay. I just didn’t remember it.
SAcademy: No recording allowed, I assume?
AGplusone: Yes, none whatsoever!
DJedPar: Robert predicted the decline in reading.
SAcademy: That’s all right unless someone sneaks one in.
AGplusone: He did, didn’t he?
DJedPar: and Literacy
AGplusone: They’ve suggested that you control how copies of that CD, if any, are distributed to any other teacher
AGplusone: who may wish to duplicate their successes with the project.
AGplusone: So you and Art may wish to review some stuff I send you.
AGplusone: Back to topic?
SAcademy: I believe we had better do that!
AGplusone: Oh, yes.!!!
DJedPar: Good!
AGplusone: [I’m watching them, Ginny.] 😉
DJedPar: Where are we?
SAcademy: Aliens
AGplusone: I think we could try that … maybe with the cross-over into how you would make a movie including them
DJedPar: Good alien stuff in M’s Children
AGplusone: and which ones …
AGplusone: and why ???
DenvToday: Some of the most interesting aliens are in Starman Jones. The symbiosis of the centaurs and the…
DenvToday: …flying jellyfish.
DJedPar: Yes! Yes!
AGplusone: Better than just “bugs” running all over to make targets ….
AGplusone: for idiots who don’t know anything about tactics to shoot.
Gaeltachta: Gotta take my son to the train station….. It’s been a pleasure…..
DenvToday: Bye Gael.
DJedPar: Bye
AGplusone: bye, Sean
Gaeltachta has left the room.
AGplusone: Which novels or stories would we ask them to start reading to prepare to discuss it?
AGplusone: After Time For the Stars of course?
AGplusone: And Farmer in the Sky?
DJedPar: Double Star?
AGplusone: Denis, btw, I need your e mail address …
SAcademy: Same old Martians,
AGplusone: if you would, of course.
AGplusone: thank you sir
AGplusone: We’ll edit that out if you wish, from the log.
DJedPar: When it works. No it’s intentional.
AGplusone: Now if we could just get Cunningham …
SAcademy: Denis has some problems with AOL in Pigeon Mi
AGplusone: and if someone would tell me who Fred Moulton is …
SAcademy: I will try to do that.
DJedPar: Pigeon is Boonie Country.
SAcademy: He was an astrtonomer.
AGplusone: I finally found out what the toolies are
SAcademy: Astronomer.
AGplusone: Denis and Fred were the first two Heinlein Society dues checks we got
DJedPar: Astrotonomer is a good word.
SAcademy: If I could type it.
AGplusone: It’s a grass that grows in the swamps in the center of the California valley … hard to find now
AGplusone: except way up north.
DJedPar: It’s something they do in Hollywood.
AGplusone: That too … right around the corner from me
SAcademy: They found that grass?
AGplusone: That grass … yes, not the canabis
DJedPar: What grass?
SAcademy: Okay, Who planted the cannabis?
AGplusone: Huell Howser has a PBS program that shows in California. “California’s Gold” he calls it.
AGplusone: Travels all over the state. Went up to some swamps in a program last month and showed us all
AGplusone: what toolie grass looks like.
SAcademy: I hear that Wyoming is full of it.
AGplusone: in the “toolie swamps”
DJedPar: If you wear patchouli you will test positive for THC (cannabis)
AGplusone: That’s interesting to know …
SAcademy: You’re not going to do it?
DJedPar: Especially if you’re going for a new job.
AGplusone: Haven’t smelled patchouli in years.
AGplusone: Nice smell, btw.
DJedPar: I’m allergic to it.
SAcademy: Really? allergic?
AGplusone: Did you live/do you live out here, Denis?
AGplusone: I live in the former people’s republic of Santa Monica
DJedPar: Never been to California. Lived most everywhere else in NA though.
AGplusone: It’s a nice place to visit
AGplusone: but you have to remember to wear your aluminum pie plate over your head
DJedPar: They won’t let me out of the boonies,
DJedPar: AKA Michigan’s Thumb.
AGplusone: Ah, the Upper Pen …
AGplusone: I have relatives named Hanson living up there
DJedPar: Not the top, the Thumb.
AGplusone: and in Sou Ste Marie? (sp?)
DJedPar: Closer to Detroit and Windsor.
AGplusone: how do you spell that
AGplusone: Okay
DJedPar: Sault… means junp in french.
SAcademy: Sault Ste. Marie
DJedPar: Jump
AGplusone: Yes. I can’t spell it because I know how to say it.
AGplusone: Grandmother was born there.
DJedPar: They say soo here but it’s pronounced like so.
SAcademy: Denis speaks beautiful Canadian French.
AGplusone: that’s how she pronounced it
AGplusone: but all her kids said sue …
DJedPar: Thank you Ginny.
SAcademy: Welcome
DJedPar: Your grandmother was right.
AGplusone: Well, we’re at that time to say good-bye. Nice having you.
AGplusone: Do you know how to find the message board, Denis?
AGplusone: On AFH?
DJedPar: Thanks for the fun. And I’ll try to find it promptly next time.
SAcademy: Yes, I gave him a link.
AGplusone: type keyword “newsgroups” and look up alt.fan.heinlein if you lose it
DJedPar: Thank you. Merci.
maikoshT: Night everyone. Sorry I missed the discussion. Looking forward to reading the log. Anything need …
maikoshT: to be edited out
DenvToday: I must be going. Thanks to you all for a great discussion.
AGplusone: I’ll try to post a leadoff post in a day or two… da nada, as the Hispanic canadiens say
SAcademy: Nite, all.
DenvToday: Good night everybody!
AGplusone: Night, Ron
DenvToday: Night 🙂
DJedPar: Bye.
SAcademy has left the room.
DenvToday has left the room.
AGplusone: Ginny’s nice to attend these things, isn’t she?
AGplusone: DavidWrightSr and MaikoshT are one and the same
maikoshT: It’s fantastic. I love it when she drops those little items about Robert
AGplusone: I do too
AGplusone: I guess the consensus was that Jenny was Ginny, eh?
maikoshT: I had both going as my DW machine is flaky and goes ballistic. In fact, my screen there is all white
DJedPar: It’s very important to her. And us.
AGplusone: It is denis
AGplusone: And fun!
maikoshT: Anyhow, I have complete copies of the log. Anything I should get rid of?
AGplusone: Nothing that I saw
maikoshT: Ok. I’ll have it posted by late this evening, I hope.
DJedPar: No. Sawright.
AGplusone: a little disorganized but that was my fault …
AGplusone: we’ll have a good topic next time I think
AGplusone: Good night, David, from New York …
maikoshT: Good night Chet from Washington
AGplusone: And Good Night for NBC
maikoshT: BTW. that reminds me I found a URL for Kukla Fran and Ollie
AGplusone: Didja, where?
maikoshT: I’ll have to e-mail it as this dumb AIM won’t let me post long URLs
AGplusone: Yes, ‘improvements’ in a pig’s eye!
maikoshT: Just do a search on the three names and you’ll probably find it.
[Editor’s Note: The Unofficial KFO Page]
AGplusone: ‘kay, I’ll see you. Enjoy read of the evening.
AGplusone: rest
maikoshT: will do.
AGplusone has left the room.
maikoshT: Log officially closed at 8:01 P.M. EDT
Final End Of Discussion Log
