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I don't know about "rushed". I always had the feeling that Gulf took a whiplash 90 degree turn with the whole Moon thing coming out of left field, but I never felt it was wrong. The story doesn't follow conventional plot thickening pace at that point, it's true, and in retrospect maybe Gulf would conventionally have been a longer story, but the whiplash has some appeal to it, it wakes the reader up. Certainly there was opportunity enough there for a novella, developing the relationship, a few straightforward missions together, him developing his powers and evolving his morality, it could all be done, but Heinlein was not one to waste words following convention.


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I believe the best-drawn villains I have seen in ANY fiction of any kind would be the ones on the "Wire" tv program.

Did Heinlein have anything even remotely close to that complexity of character for any of his villains? (Or his heroes?)


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I love "The Wire". I hum "The Body of an American" semi-regularly. Are you planning to watch "Treme" when it starts Sunday?

Hmm, complexity. Is Lazarus Long a hero or villian? The Great Lorenzo is on the complex side. Minor character, but that IBI security officer at the beginning of Between Planets seems, believably (to me, anyway) able to switch from Gestapo-mode to genial politeness from moment to moment. Sam from Starman Jones --is he a rogue or hero? Yes, he is; I could easily see him on "The Wire".

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I thought the Chairman of the "Investigative Committee" of the Lunar Authority in Agra was a well-drawn, believable villain type. He may have been more of a pompous ass rather than a villain, but he certainly had villainous qualities, including being perfectly willing to see Prof die and Manny betray his homeland.

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