Errors and Omissions, Volume 1 of the Bio
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TinaBlack
Centennial Organizer
Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 1:34 pm Posts: 192
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 Re: Errors and Omissions, Volume 1 of the Bio
I suspect we need a note on "the bottle with the three dimples". The bio has Heinlein use this with reference to Leslyn's alcoholism. One of his characters also uses the term "milk the bottle with the three dimples" -- and it has to be Ben, Jubal or Sam (from Puppet Masters).
Is this some specific kind of alcohol, or just any whiskey?
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| Wed Sep 01, 2010 5:58 pm |
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JamesGifford
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Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm Posts: 2316 Location: The Quiet Earth
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A pinch bottle is a traditional liquor bottle, still used by some whiskey makers. It is most specifically a reference to whiskey in general. I don't know if anyone brand (or even just one type of liquor) was identified by a pinch bottle, but a pinch bottle is a "container for the thing contained" WRT liquor. If Leslyn had had a hankering for beer, he might have said "hoisting the mug" in the same sense. Or "a fondness for the grape" without being specific about what kind of wine. She was a hardcore abuser, so naturally her ball and chain was hard liquor, traditionally found in... pinch bottles. 
_________________ "Hier stehe ich. Ich kann nicht anders." - Luther In the end, I found Heinlein is finite. Thus, finite analysis is needed.
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BillPatterson
Heinlein Biographer
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm Posts: 1024
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True enough -- though there is the brand of Scotch whiskey called Pinch. But I'm afraid I don't know Colin MacDonald's brand . . .
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| Wed Sep 01, 2010 6:53 pm |
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DavidWrightSr
Joined: Tue Dec 02, 2008 6:24 am Posts: 238 Location: Northwest Georgia
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This is from a UK web-site: "John Haig & Company Limited Principle Brands Dimple 12 year old Dimple 15 year Old Also Know as Pinch in The USA Market Haig Gold Label "The Haig whisky distilling dynasty can rightfully lay claim to be the oldest Scotch whisky distillers having being active distillers for over 300 years. "The first recording of Haig distilling was in 1655 when Robert Haig was summoned to appear before the Kirk Session for working his still on the Sabbath. "He had established a farm at Throsk Stirlingshire in 1627 and this is taken to be the entry date of the Haig’s into distilling. . . . ". . . In 1856 John Haig &Co joined in with six other Lowland distillers to form a trade agreement to protect the individual and collective interests of the members. Eventually this trade agreement led to the formation of the Distillers Company Limited (DCL) in 1877 with John Haig and his son Hugh as directors "During 1882 John Haig & Co merged with David Smith & Co and became a limited company with Hugh Haig, John Haig’s Son, as chairman. "John Alicius Haig released the Dimple Deluxe blend in 1888. The distinctive 3 pinch bottle was introduced in 1893 by George Ogilvy Haig. "DCL acquired the entire ordinary share capital of John Haig & Co Ltd in March of 1919 the take over of the Haig dynasty was completed in 1923 with DCL taking control of Haig & Haig Ltd."
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| Wed Sep 01, 2010 7:11 pm |
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BillPatterson
Heinlein Biographer
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm Posts: 1024
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Phil Sutherland [?] from Australia writes:
On page 57 (Plebe Summer) in item V of "Worldly Wisdom from the Old Master" there's a reference to "one of Bljdf's letters", and a footnote indicating that Bljdf is unknown. Has it occurred to you tha Bljdf can be turned into Alice by substituting the previous letter for each letter (except the L, which may be a (deliberate?) mistake)? Would correspondence from Alice make sense in this context?
It certainly does -- and I can't imagine why I didn't twig to that already.
Phil was just given a copy as a gift. Wonder if his was one of the purchases at worldcon or ordered by amazon.com.uk.
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| Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:45 pm |
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BillPatterson
Heinlein Biographer
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm Posts: 1024
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This one is a little odd -- not the contents, but it came as a message in a Friend Request on FB, and I can't find it in my Facebook information anywhere:
Robert Whitaker Sirignano Robert says, "You know, Upton Sinclair wasn't a very good looking man and was not exceptionally sober...
& mention of "Gerald McBoing Boing is the late forties is a misplaced point: the cartoons were from the mid fifties.
Enjoyed the bio of RAH, but found some information with regards to date placement in need to tinkering with.".
I think the Mitchell book quotes a back east journalist as saying Sinclair looked like Henry Ford gone slightly fey.
Point taken re Gerald McBoing-Boing cartoons. Would be interested in your date-placement comments. It was a constant problem, because it's really necessary to keep the reader time-place oriented, but it can overwhelm the logical flow of the narrative. I lost the ability to "hear" the prose a couple of years ago (i.e., 2.5 years into the editing process!), so couldn't rely on the writer's tool necessary to correct that as we got toward the final language.
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| Tue Sep 07, 2010 1:23 pm |
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BillPatterson
Heinlein Biographer
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm Posts: 1024
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Follow-up re Gerald McBoing Boing. The original story appeared in 1950, with the first UFA film in 1951, so I'm a little more sanguine about the reference on p. 455. However, the language does need to be re-worked, as it implied he had already done them in 1948.
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| Wed Sep 08, 2010 6:35 am |
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georule
Joined: Thu Jul 16, 2009 3:18 pm Posts: 345 Location: Minnesota
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Further suggestion --number the items (yes, I know, your poor ego when triple digits arrive!) and include a change log at the bottom of that doc in reverse order. So: xx/xx/xxxx --Added items 22 and 23. Edited item 19. xx/xx/xxxx --Version 1, through item 21. Not strictly necessary, but helpful for ease of discussion/revision later ("Hey, Bill, I'm not convinced your #20 is still entirely right. . . " or "Thanks, I already got that one in the E&O, see my #15"), and not all that hard to do so long as you start out that way.
_________________ "Rub her feet." --Woodrow Wilson Smith
"Hey, if I'm going to pass on the timeless wisdom of the ages in a Sig, that pretty well qualifies, in my experience." --Geo Rule
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| Mon Sep 13, 2010 11:09 am |
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BillPatterson
Heinlein Biographer
Joined: Thu Apr 10, 2008 1:33 pm Posts: 1024
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Thanks for the input on format, Geo. It is a work still in progress (I haven't loaded in here some additional comments by Ed Wysocki, because I haven't had time to do the necessary research yet. (That's right, I research error comments the same way I researched the original stuff.)
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JamesGifford
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Joined: Wed Apr 09, 2008 12:17 pm Posts: 2316 Location: The Quiet Earth
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On page 13, Introduction: "...the fictional lunar landing in [MWSTM] was set in 1970..."
1975 on the original handwritten chart; 1978 in the 1941 and 1950 charts; date removed for the 1967 chart but still positioned after the "Strike of '76"; timeline revised (is retconned too phannish?) back to 1964 in TSBTS. I am not aware of any other specific datings.
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