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Why I won’t be watching AMC’s “The Prisoner" 
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Yep, I couldn't agree more.

McGoohan was showing how a free man cannot be enslaved, only imprisoned (shades of Howard Roark). How he could choose to be master of himself even when he was restrained to the point of his body being tortured (shades of Viktor Frankl). His captors even distorted his mind and he still defeated them, showing that ultimately we can only be enslaved by ourselves.

ABC is demonstrating that they haven't enough original thought or courage left in their creative staff to come up with something new, rather than gutting a classic for the sake of mining its fan base.


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Uh. Talk about Playskool sledge hammers. As much as I carry a sneaking torch for the original, it was pretentious, overbearing blather. Especially in the last few episodes when McGoohan got complete control and flew the concept right off a cliff.

I'm looking forward to the AMC take because Ian McKellen has such a great hat. :D

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Well, I'm completely flummoxed. Supposedly we're supposed to get two one-hour episodes a night for three nights. With no explanation that I can find, only the first ep ran tonight (at least on Dish Network). The AMC web site still says two, but the summary and recap of the second episode are not yet active. This is very weird - and if it turns out to be some kind of deliberate mindf*ck by AMC I will be very pissed.

Anyone have a clue? Did they decide to stretch it out over six nights instead to squeeze in yet more ads? (I haven't watched anything in realtime for a long time and the commercial load on this program seems longer than the material...)

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It's airing several times on AMC Canada. I was about to Tivo it when I read that changed my mind - if someone hates a show then there was at least something going on that I might like, but if it was deadly boring, odds are they're right.

Incidentally, I just watched Caprica and man was that a snoozer. There was about 30 minutes of stuff worth watching and the rest was filler. It should have been the B story in an episode.


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Well, last night was one of those "nothing better to do" spacers - so ably captured by Douglas Adams, IIRC - so we tuned up what turned out to be the last 40 minutes* of the second episode.

I understand that having inexplicably missed the first episode and the first few minutes of the second would promote some confusion, but the odd, hyperkinetic editing did not help. We jump from yet-another-strange-revelation-in-the-desert to a face-to-face confrontation with someone back in the Village, several times. There's no sense of time or travel, not even having a character turn his/her back and start off in a direction to indicate change of setting; just alla sudden they're talking to someone back in what passes for civilization, one hard cut after staring at a desert apparition.

I suppose this has some arty value in emphasizing the small scale of the world or strangeness or cleverness of the director, but in the end it's just irritating. I suppose we'll make some attempt to catch up and watch most of this thing, but it will be more out of boredom and duty than genuine interest.

*That's 40m by the clock, which meant about 22m of actual Prisoner and 18m of gawdawful commercials.

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Another programme that we will no doubt get soon - telling us what a huge smash it is in the USA.

Have they "Americanised" it? As we over here consider The Prisoner to be classically British, and I am afraid that your TV companies will rather kill off its style! Another remake I think I will avoid!


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Bill, sometimes shit is just shit, no matter how much allegory you want to analyze into it. :D

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When I first saw the final episode (of the original) I was a bit disappointed for reasons that could be described in the same terms as Jim's colorful language. But upon reflection, it makes sense - I don't mean that the episode itself makes sense, I mean it makes sense why McGoohan did it that way. The overweening desire is for the final episode to wrap up the series into a neat little bundle of closed subplots tied up with a bow of All Questions Answered. But that would have defeated the show's purpose - think for yourselves, you lazy bastards - so that final episode had to leave the viewer with mostly questions. As tempting as it is to give the masses their pablum of answers, when I think about it, works that force people to think are the ones that get more lasting attention.


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