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OK folks , after the dissection of A.P. and our criticisms of his works focused upon RAH, I have a question. Where do you think A.P. was right on in his analysis' of RAH and his writings? Despite barbed verse, I saw alot in "Dimension", where A.P. actually praised RAH and his works. Did he find room to quibble points sometimes obscure? sure did !

I think as a group who hold RAH in the highest esteem, we may have blinders on at times and averse to seeing where the fault lines ran in RAH and his writings ! I think A.P. had a point when he ventured that RAH was an engineer who evolved into a professional writer. As an engineer he had a mind trained to look at things and ponder how they worked. A.P. sees RAH's lackings in truly depicting the complexities of humankind/ fleshing out charactors a bit beyond the minimum needed to enter them into the story. But as RAH had said "I'm a story teller"- a damn good one in my/our eyes- do i require a endless array of complex charactors to move me to keep reading? nope not necessarily- RAH storylines are compelling enough for me BUT ............ what do you think?

I do see alot of similiarites between the protagonists in RAH novels and believe like A.P. that Heinlein was writing about himself interjected into the storylines- as a writer would i do the same? damn straight- you write about that you know best- yourself !

One of the points i would vehemently disagree with A.P. about is his pronouncment that RAH had no sense of humor but rather was a satirest!- sheeeeesh, RAH could have written comedies if he had so desired !! i love the man's sense of humor- where is A.P.'s sense of humor ??

go ahead folks- as a baseball umpire i am used to the lynch mobs when my opinions are wildly unpopular !!

<tapes the "kick me" sign firmly to his backside>

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Jim - uhhhhhhh............. number 3 ? :mrgreen: BTW i did again lose several paragraphs when hitting the submit button ! frustrating for the author perhaps a blessing for the audience

Peter- I guess I was trying to provoke our own criticisms of RAH rather than rely on those of A.P.( i.e. IMHO RAH's cardboard thin complementary charactors who served only to help carry the storyline- i was left with the hope RAH would write an entire novel upon the Col Dubois', Kettle Bellys, or Jubal Harshaws he left so partially developed) As passionate (sometimes worshippers) fans where do our insights lay? After 40 plus years has A.P. emptied his proverbial intellectual slop pot? LOL AP described as " gaseous"- can picture him farting dialogue!!!

Kelly- i agree with you that RAH's later works were a personal disappointments for myself as a reader- imho his ponitifications only served to be interruptions in his storylines. While some ideas did provoke thought, i saw too many as but distractions to the story's progression. As a reader, well, I was a mere mortal to be set straight and introduced to "right" thinking

BTW folks, I do feel like a diletante (sp?) amongst the many RAH experts here and will profer queries only after much tepidation. Hopefully I can serve this forum as a provocateur <again laziness prevents me from checking the spelling) and stir the intellectual pot on occasion. I am but a mere mortal you know :shock:

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