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Just go freaking see it. Now. You *cannot* set your expectations high enough.

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We had to wait until this morning, but saw it at 11:30 in IMAX.

I am still in complete awe of the fabulous delicate balance - it's all the same old same old stuff, every bit of it... but it's all genuinely new and fresh and a whole new road lies ahead. Everything you know is right... but you'll be surprised and delighted to relearn it.

I have often admired how John D. MacDonald could tell you a character's whole life in a paragraph. The job this film did with Leonard McCoy would have had him in awe. In about six wrenching sentences someone who had never heard of Star Trek would know the character, why he carries so much inner pain, why he's in Starfleet despite loathing space travel... and why he's nicknamed "Bones." And the funny thing is, it's all new and fresh to someone who *does* know the canon.

The opening, pretitle sequence alone is worth the price of admission. JMS once said that the greatest human story is Horatius, and it's why we tell it again and again. This ten minutes stands as a monument to that thought.

One ST movie had a great villain who quoted Shakespeare. This one has a great villain Bill the Bard would have been proud to have written.

My god, what a movie. I think it's headed for a Rotten Tomatoes record - the first large-scale movie to sustain a 100 rating. Even Wall-E only managed 97.

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As good a place as any to slide in my "Star Trek in one sentence" maxim, which the new movie does nothing to refute.

"For god's sake, she's dead, Jim!"

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At some point, you have to judge each movie on its own merits and within its own constraints. Star Trek has huge, ungainly, muddy boots to fill. I don't think that expecting it to get realistic or serious about military command and discipline, or the Meaning of Manned Spaceflight, or Man's Place in the Universe, or any such things at this very late date is appropriate.

The movie had to (1) appeal to the audience of 2009, and as big a one as possible, but (2) without honking off forty years of fanatic fandom. It also had to do the biggest reboot of a franchise since Tim Burton's Batman, but with an ensemble cast instead of one character. That meant it had to stay within certain limits - not good limits, in the most case, but necessary ones.

It also had to fit Hollywood's rules, meaning that a three-hour run time was out, and that it had this single shot to build the foundation for the new franchise (no one would have stood for part one of the origin story; get back to us in May '11 for the thrilling conclusion!)

So is it continuity-challenged? Yes. Are there absurdities in the logic of the cadets assuming command of the newest flagship in the fleet? Of course. (Um... see any of several Heinlein juveniles.) Is the film's notion of military proprieties a bit wonky? Sure... but it always has been. (Even B5 had some absolutely eye-rolling moments in this respect... JMS sometimes did not seem to understand ANYTHING about the military. And B5 was a Marine training film compared to ST.)

So is it fair to judge it on outside terms... or do we suspend belief to tell a good, thrashing tale and lay the groundwork for the next one, unencumbered by the dreary realities of how a crew would be selected and assigned and trained, knowing that we had to end up with the crew and assignments necessary to continue the Star Trek universe's story line? So we skipped to the good part... who and what loses, there?

Do we alla-sudden start complaining about the lack of proper military behavior, or do we accept that Starfleet is a pretty poorly run "military" and always has been?

Do we hold the most famous member of Starfleet, a man who wrote his own rules and then broke them at his leisure for forty years of galaxy-saving, to the mundane jots and tittles of finishing his academy papers and learning to salute up the ranks... when he's just saved Earth yet again?

I think you're both applying far too strict a standard to this big-fun, old-school, reboot. I think it achieved exactly what it had to achieve, could not have been made in any significantly different way and been successful... and, with all necessary limitations carefully held in mind, was one helluva movie.

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Yes, it's Star Trek. It's space opera. Glad to see the original franchise reborn, complete with Trekkies in full regalia among the audience. There were several scenes when the entire audience broke out in applause. Most enjoyable movie I've seen in years.

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