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A couple of things, since I've been mentioned....

I had nothing to do with the several screenplay adaptations of MOON IS A HARSH MISTRESS. The one floating around in various forms is likely done by Tim Minear, a talented TV writer who worked on BUFFY, among many others. There was an earlier version written by Ted Elliott & Terry Rossio, fairly well known for PIRATES OF THE CARIBBEAN and also credited on THE PUPPET MASTERS. They are huge Heinlein fans. If Minear and Elliott & Rossio couldn't get MOON made, I don't know who could.

Going back to the original post, the FIRST question to be asked is... what RIGHTS are available? MOON, STAR BEAST, TUNNEL IN THE SKY, STRANGER, DOOR INTO SUMMER and others are owned by or under option to various parties.

The larger question is which Heinlein properties -- if any -- are worthy of or would benefit from film or TV adaptation. STRANGER? That window closed forty years ago. TROOPERS? Badly done, not a plausible candidate for re-make any time soon. DOUBLE STAR? Would look and feel like MOON OVER PARADOR or any of the classic PRISONER OF ZENDAS. FRIDAY, JOB, CAT WHO WALKS THROUGH WALLS, TO SAIL BEYOND THE SUNSET.... er, no. More detailed critique available upon request, but the bottom line is still... no. UNPLEASANT PROFESSION OF JONATHAN HOAG is on its way, from Alex Proyas (DARK CITY).

There are some solid candidates in the Heinlein juveniles, subject to rights availability.

And there is something cool -- says the man who tried to get "Man Who Sold the Moon" done years ago with Joe Dante as director, as a "period piece" -- about a Future History TV series that would take pieces of MAN WHO SOLD, GREEN HILLS, REVOLT IN 2100, TIME ENOUGH FOR LOVE etc., break them into chunks and re-do them. But even some of THOSE stories are tied up by people who have interesting plans for them.

So... kickstarter? Wasting your time. Sorry.

MD


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Hi Mike. Sorry about the brain fart. You raise an interesting point about "period pieces." If RED ALERT can be reshot as a b/w live TV special in 2000, if we can have Art Deco pieces like THE ROCKETEER, IRON SKY, and SKY CAPTAIN AND THE WORLD OF TOMORROW, is there a place for shooting something like THE ROLLING STONES in its original milieu?

It sucks that a movie can skate close enough to the plot of a story to spoil its chances of being made without being close enough to infringe. ROCKET SHIP GALILEO can't get made because of IRON SKY.


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StagXing wrote:
If I were to pitch a Heinlein idea to [movie producers] the first question I would be asked is, "How would the fans react to it and do they want it to happen?"


Why is the interest of the fans important? There aren't enough fans of Heinlein to make a difference. The question would be "How would the movie-ticket-buying public react to it?"

When Tim Burton's first Batman movie was made, the average fan of the Batman comics thought that Michael Keaton would be a horrible choice. But still he was cast for other reasons (the fact that he ended up doing a good job is a bonus). The producers used Batman as source material, and felt no obligations to fans to make sure that it was done to their liking.

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I thought it was a reasonable thing to ask here, which is a specific Heinlein mega-fan place.


Kilo-fan place, at best.


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Very good point, Bill. I recall reading something just like that around the time the first Star Trek movie came out. (This predates the web, so don't expect me to remember enough to find a citation.) Someone asked the director (I believe) about how he would consider the reaction of fans of the TV show. His response was roughly, "No one saw the TV show." Meaning, the fan base for the TV show was insignificant compared to the total market base for the movie. Now consider that at the time, the fan base for Star Trek was the most effective in history.


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(I posted this into a different thread by accident first time, sorry, this is the thread I originally meant to post to)

I would like to see a Time Enough for Love trilogy combined with Methuselah's Children.

The first film in the series is the events of Methuselah's Children, ending at the same time as the book: when Lazarus Long and the others return to earth.

The second film in the series would be the longest of the 3. Perhaps, 200+ minutes long, beginning with the start of Time Enough for Love with Lazarus Long now an ancient man wishing for death, which I feel would contrast well with his personality and appearance in the first film. After the first section, it would contain Lazarus telling Ira the stories of The Tale of the Man Who Was Too Lazy to Fail, The Tale of the Twins Who Weren't, and ends with The Tale of the Adopted Daughter.

The third and final film would contain the Boondock and Da Capo sections, mainly Lazarus travelling back to 1916 and eventually being mortally wounded in france. As for the ending: I am unsure whether Lazarus should die or not. [url="http://www.heinleinsociety.org/2013/02/faq-frequently-asked-questions-about-robert-a-heinlein-his-works/"]I have read that the original assumption that was taken from the book was that Lazarus died on the Western Front[/url], but Number of the Beast removed that.

I would prefer it if Lazarus did die at the end of the film. It would make the ending more powerful in my opinion. The bit with Lazarus lying in the middle of a war looking at the sky as he dies was beautiful, and I think the image conjured would look perfect on a screen. His death would remove the possibility of a Number of the Beast film, but I personally don't think Number of the Beast would translate well into a film.

I think good names for the films would be: 1. Methuselah's Children, 2. Time Enough for Love, and 3. Da Capo. And perhaps the trilogy could be called the Lazarus Long Trilogy

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Here here.


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I'd certainly go see those movies. And I'm *much* more fond of reading than watching movies most of the time.

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That looks like it would work for both fans and mass appeal. Nice work.


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I actually think much of his work would be better suited to big budget mini series rather than film but the triple bill above works for me.


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