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The Hole in Our Collective Memory (Copyright) 
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BTW, invoking these movies and TV shows that dub in replacement music is not a good argument on the subject.

The studios that put out DVD collections with replacement music don't do that because they couldn't renew the rights to the original music. They do that because they are TOO CHEAP to renew the rights to the original music. They'd rather pocket the money they save by not doing so and pawn off an inferior altered product on the consumer, and many consumers accept that and buy it anyway. They can get away with it, so they do it.

Believe me, if no one bought the altered products, they'd find a way to re-up the rights to the original music the next time around, and they'd still make a profit on the DVD release.


Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:12 pm
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vranger's nailed it.

When shows license music, they typically go for the shortest limited license they can get, because even through the 1980s, reruns were just bottom-end cash cows. Now that shows have extended lifespans, they are wise to pay more for a perpetual license. Copyright is NOT the issue with WKRP, FM and other shows that used pop music as a part of the episodes. It's producers who nickel-and-dimed the production costs.

OTHER THAN ORPHAN WORKS, all the arguments still sound a lot like "I wanna buy it and so somebody has to sell it to me."


Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:25 pm
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JamesGifford wrote:
OTHER THAN ORPHAN WORKS, all the arguments still sound a lot like "I wanna buy it and so somebody has to sell it to me."


When I originally posted this I had in mind more the LENGTH of copyright. In the US: The original 1790: 14 years plus 14 renewal. 1831: 28+14. 1909: 28+28. 1976: Life of author + 50 years. 1998: Sonny Bono/Mickey Mouse Act: Life+70, 95 years for Mickey films.

Life plus 70 years is a bit ridiculous in my book. 75 years flat would be entirely reasonable, unless the Howard Families really exist...

I understand the Mouse's earliest perfromances are due to go public domain in 2018--wanna bet Disney lobbyists will come up with a good "public policy" reason for a new copyright law right after the 2016 elections? :lol:

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No bet. Di$ney is relentless.

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You said it. I heard it.
It's my thought now as much as it was once yours.

And I'm gonna tell people.

Copyright... argue the toss as much as you want, but if you let an idea into the wild you gotta expect it might breed.


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Dominic wrote:
Copyright... argue the toss as much as you want, but if you let an idea into the wild you gotta expect it might breed.

Of course it will. Any other notion is nonsense.

The question is whether the creator is allowed to control the herd, and to what degree, and for how long. Suppose I create a strain of bright purple cat, and choose only to sell neutered examples for $10,000 each. No one on earth has any "right" to buy one if I choose not to sell. No one has any "right" to one for less than my asking price. And if I decide to stop breeding them, no one has a "right" to a purple cat that I have chosen not to provide. When Peter starts selling cloned purple cats, he will be a criminal as surely as if he broke into my house and stole my Pez dispenser collection, purple cat model and all.


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I absolutely do not understand the bitching about Mickey Mouse. The character is the very fabric of the identity of Walt Disney Studios. They are an active and vital company, and have continuously used the character in commerce throughout their entire history. They've spent untold dollars building, maintaining, and popularizing that brand.

Any idea that someone else is entitled to profit on all those decades of Disney business because an arbitrary number of years passed is disgusting.

The ONLY motive for this is people who want to pounce, for free, on a work of value that they never had ANYTHING to do with, never contributed an iota of creative or other effort to, but would love to leech onto at the earliest opportunity.

It's no different from the opportunistic pseudo "studios" that wait for 50 year film and TV copyrights to expire so that they can repackage poor reproductions, made absolutely as cheaply as possible, onto DVDs and foist them off onto the public.

99.99% of all effort to weaken copyright comes not from altruistic, starry-eyed aficionados of the art, but by grave robbers.


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I wouldn't disagree with you, vranger, but we and Disney need to find another way to protect that identity without distorting US and global copyright law all out of proportion. Making all copyrights extensive and endless so that Disney doesn't lose control of a few 75-year-old short films is nonsense. I don't see a world flooded with copies of "Steamboat Willie," and the character is adequately protected by many subsequent copyright and trademark filings, not to mention one of the largest and most ferocious private legal staffs on earth.


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You're right. Walt Disney should never have stolen so many ideas from the Brothers Grimm.


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