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Once again, I'm not saying no punishment. I'm saying that the punishment shouldn't exceed the maximum permitted for a child rapist. Some kind of misdemeanor and community service would have been appropriate.


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I do also believe strongly in general that "I was following <deeply-held conviction>" is not a get-out-of-jail free card. So many people think so, especially if <deeply-held conviction> emerges from some religious tenet. Nope, that just means your conscience is clear. You should still be prepared to deal with the consequences, evil though they may be. The early Christians sang while they were being burned (well, if Quo Vadis is anything to go by); they didn't bitch and whine and say they should get a free pass because of their religion.


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I agree with both of you (Jim and Peter). Swartz definitely stole intellectual property, although his intentions were not personal profit. If the Justice department had charged him at a level that would have resulted in, say, an 18-month sentence if he was convicted, I'd have thought that they were well within their rights. If he'd gone to jail for a few months, I suspect that he might have learned a lesson that he needed to learn.

But not for 35 years. I'm an incest survivor. The man who raped me, IF HE HAD DONE SO TODAY, would not have qualified for a sentence that long. Most murderers do not qualify for or serve sentences that long. Something is desperately wrong that the government could even charge Swartz with crimes that added up to that sort of sentence. It is disporportionate, and the process needs to be fixed.

IMHO, of course. And hindsight is easy. But we've grown into a rather vicious society, one that thinks that tougher and tougher punishments is the answer to rising crime. I've come to doubt seriously doubt that belief. Draconian punishments -- the sort that are seen as draconian by the people subject to the law -- destroy public belief in the justice and rightness of the law. Punishment is supposed to teach, not destroy both individuals and the very system of law that it is supposed to uphold.

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I have trouble summoning much sympathy for computer hackers. In one way, it might be said they provide a valuable service by pinpointing vulnerabilities that need to be corrected. However, in essence they are just vandals. I have no problem with civil disobedience. That's how many of our great societal changes have been accomplished. I just have a hard time putting a hacker on the same pedestal as MLK or Ghandi. I sincerely doubt that many hackers have pure motives - I think it's a "look at what I can get away with" culture - and should be prosecuted.

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"35 years" keeps coming up. It's a trope, seized by the media to make their stories more sensational. Swartz was savvy enough, and had competent enough counsel, to know this. is a detailed explanation why.


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