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Heinlein Nexus

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Post Re: Swinging both ways
Actually, Jim, it's Jefferson's brother who is the other suspect; he was in all the wrong places at the right times too...


Mon Oct 05, 2009 11:43 am
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The scant evidence reassembles itself every few years. I tend to disbelieve that TJ was the principal scoundrel for many reasons.

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Post Re: Swinging both ways
I have the same difficulty.

On the other hand, she was apparently a dead-ringer, except for the shade, for her half-sister, jefferson's dead wife. If there was a draw, it must have been that.


Mon Oct 05, 2009 12:02 pm
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Not to get into the debate because my recollections are fuzzy and the "map" has shifted a couple of times since the last serious reading I did on the topic, but I find TJ's absolute failure to ever mention her, to anyone, over 27+ years and in some 15,000 letters, telling.


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I do see the point, but then, we forget the tremendous divide between public and private back then, as well as my gut feeling that NO slaveowner ever mentioned the slaves he was "involved" with....


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Possible, but that's one HELL of a firewall.

I don't mean that he never mentioned the specifics, or the nature of the relationship, but never once, in all that time and exposition, did he slip and mention her in some context? Not a passing reference to a household event or situation? When she was supposedly an important and central part of his life for much of that time? That kind of compartmentalization would be superhuman.


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I don't know. There are people in my life that are very important that I have never written about publicly or even privately. I could name names but that would negate my 2nd sentence.

The social pressure of the time may have made keeping that aspect of his life compartmentalized such a high priority that he was over kill on the topic.


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I still see Jim's point, but we forget that NOBODY talked about this stuff in the South. It was a compartmentalization that was reinforced by social taboos. But I do think she is mentioned in Jefferson's letters from Paris, if I'm not mistaken -- mostly, that she was there for his daughter.


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