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It is one of the most compelling novels I've read in my life. If an art form needs a defining work to be valid, Watchmen alone validates the graphic novel as an art form. (Dark Knight Returns almost does it, and the two together make the form immortal.)


Got the GN from the library yesterday and read it today. Um, wow. I wouldn't say I'm in love with it, but I am in awe at the monstrous creativity. Sort of thing that one imagines to be the last product of a brilliant mind before it burns out from being overclocked. More layers than a Hottentot wintering in Minnesota. It doesn't make me want to go out and read any more comix, just gives me respect for the art form, at least this instance of it.


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ok ok finally ended up in WP !! can't plead ignorance about the site any further

googled "Hottentot" per Peter's reference to layers and Minnesota to find that they are are south african tribe (hence the many layers of clothing in a MN winter !) but also found that "Hottentot" is a bit derogatory due to it's Dutch meaning of "stutterer" - correct name of tribe (shortened) is "Khoi"

so much for my brief trip into Wikipedia

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Jim- RFB ever venture this far south ?


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I dunno, Nick, how far south are you? :)

He never went south of the Nile basin - central Africa on both coasts, into the interior.

However, one of the things that cemented my interest in him, long ago, was the amazing discovery that he passed through my hometown, Sacramento, in 1860. Of all extremely unlikely places!


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I wouldn't say I'm in love with it, but I am in awe at the monstrous creativity.

Exactly. It's also one of those works that rewards slow rereads as you discover just how many mountains of collateral detail are hidden in every panel.

I am likely off to see it again tomorrow afternoon, in part because I planned to see it at least twice on the big screen and in part because there's a plaintive call to the fan community to help ensure a second big weekend - having the BO go flat in a week would kill further movies of this scope and scape.


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Nick Doten wrote:
googled "Hottentot" per Peter's reference to layers and Minnesota to find that they are are south african tribe (hence the many layers of clothing in a MN winter !) but also found that "Hottentot" is a bit derogatory due to it's Dutch meaning of "stutterer" - correct name of tribe (shortened) is "Khoi"


Interesting - the word was used frequently in Britain in my youth for comparison purposes where heat was concerned, e.g., "Good enough salesman to sell overcoats to Hottentots." Maybe less in vogue now for the reason you cite.


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Nick Doten wrote:
googled "Hottentot" per Peter's reference to layers and Minnesota to find that they are are south african tribe (hence the many layers of clothing in a MN winter !) but also found that "Hottentot" is a bit derogatory due to it's Dutch meaning of "stutterer" - correct name of tribe (shortened) is "Khoi"


Interesting - the word was used frequently in Britain in my youth for comparison purposes where heat was concerned, e.g., "Good enough salesman to sell overcoats to Hottentots." Maybe less in vogue now for the reason you cite.


In my reading, which was long ago, "Khoi," "KhoiKhoi," "San" and "Khoisan" were all used for tribal Bushmen, many of them hunter-gatherers in the Kalahari. "Hottentot" was used for goups of mixed Bushman and Bantu heritage, usually cattle-raisers if not urbanized.


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I saw Watchmen this past Saturday for the first time, in IMAX, at the Metreon in San Francisco. I liked it much more than I expected to. I've never read the graphic novel (or any graphic novel, for that matter), but for me, the film stands quite well on its own. I think it benefited substantially from the huge IMAX screen and especially the IMAX sound system. I thought the soundtrack was spectacular and was delighted to see that the Philip Glass music they used in one of the trailers is, indeed, in the film.

The only problem I had with it was that I couldn't keep track of all the characters and all the plot points, but I didn't miss enough that it ruined it for me. I'll definitely see it again, and will probably get more out of it at a second viewing.

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I saw it again this Sunday, in regular format. Seeing it in IMAX was definitely worth the effort.

But it was just as much fun the second time. Since it's not killing the box office, I don't expect to get a chance to see it a third time before it's gone. The low second weekend ($18M, a 65% drop) makes it shaky as to whether the director's cut will be theatrically released in June - if it is, it will be major cities only, most likely.

I did see about a thousand things in the second viewing I missed in the first. Such as the copy of the graphic novel sitting on Dan's desk. And another "300" reference I'd missed. And something subtle but very disturbing at the end, since sequels/prequels etc. have been vehemently (and properly) sworn off.

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Cracked has done a parody: Rorschach's journal (on a boring night).

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That's pretty funny, but more labored than it could be. Heavy handed.

Me, I want a button that says "Remember Captain Carnage." I was so glad they got that exchange into the film, and got it note-perfect to boot. My fourth favorite line in the book.


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