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American political discourse has come to this 
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Post American political discourse has come to this
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0113/gingrichn.html

Can you imagine Eisenhower or Stevenson stooping to this?


Fri Jan 13, 2012 7:08 pm
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I can't even imagine it of Reagan or Bush Sr.


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Reagan and Bush Sr. were both gentlemen. I can't imagine *this* of Bush Jr., and my opinion of him is perhaps best left for that other topic. (wry grin) Gingrich is a character, to be sure. I think I'd like to meet him at a con sometime. But vote for him? I can't even consider his views on the issues because he's so volatile I'm afraid he'd declare war on somebody the day he was sworn in just because he didn't like them. :/

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I know Jerry Pournelle is big on Newt. One of the the only complaints I have with his notes in Take Back Your Government was using the book as a platform to fawn over Newt. The other complaint was Pournelle seemed to give up about 2/3's of the way through the book. There were some interesting notes and stories he had included.

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RobWright wrote:
I know Jerry Pournelle is big on Newt. One of the the only complaints I have with his notes in Take Back Your Government was using the book as a platform to fawn over Newt. The other complaint was Pournelle seemed to give up about 2/3's of the way through the book. There were some interesting notes and stories he had included.

Rob


Gotta disagree. I finally gave up on the notes, as they had absolutely nothing to do with the text; they were all about Perot (a media candidate, certainly NOT a shoe-leather candidate). Once I stopped reading the notes, I began to enjoy the book.


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Post Re: American political discourse has come to this
For those with a knowledge of history, it hasn't "come" to this; I mean c'mon, accused of speaking French? That's supposed to be a new low?

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Nasty political mud-slinging. Campaign attacks and counterattacks. Personal insults. Outrageous newspaper invective. Dire predictions of warfare and national collapse. Innovative new forms of politicking capitalizing on a growing technology. As much as this seems to describe our pending presidential contest, it actually describes an election more than two hundred years past.

The presidential election of 1800 was an angry, dirty, crisis-ridden contest that seemed to threaten the nation's very survival.


http://www.gilderlehrman.org/historynow/09_2004/historian4.php

One of Jefferson's surrogates wrote that John Adams had a “hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman.”

Adams' surrogates on Jefferson: “Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames… female chastity violated… children writhing on the pike?

His opponents called Lincoln and "idiot" and "gorilla." Stephen Dougals described him as a “horrid-looking wretch, sooty and scoundrelly in aspect, a cross between the nutmeg dealer, the horse-swapper and the nightman.”

I personally think things are pretty nicey nice among the Republicans right now. I predict Obama's surrogates will call Romney extremely "white."

Oh, wait for it...http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/14/whats-race-got-to-do-with-it/

I doubt that Romney is quaking in his well-polished loafers about the "speaks French" ad.

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Tue Jan 17, 2012 2:36 pm
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Well at least they had better vocabulary back then :-)

I voted for Perot. I didn't care where he came from or whether he was the best candidate. I did it because I wanted the status quo upset. The two parties have became way too cosy. They need someone to remove their sinecure.


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That sounds like a vote for Ron Paul this time around. ;)

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But he's running on the GOP ticket.


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I mostly ignore political parties and just look at candidates, so that he's running on the GOP ticket (or any party ticket) doesn't bother me. Paul is essentially libertarian, not Republican. I voted for him as a protest vote in 1988 because I thought the choice between GHWB and Michael Dukakis was lame. (I've grown up a bit since.) <G>

I like Paul for President because I trust him to do exactly what he says he wants to do. I don't like Paul for President because I trust him to do exactly what he says he wants to do. <wry grin> The latter would almost certainly win out in my case. But it's annoying to have a choice between a failed president/mediocrity on the one hand (IMHO Stevens is prone to wishful thinking and hand waving) and a candidate whose ability to understand the needs and interests of the average American appears almost nil on the other (assuming Romney gets the election). :/

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