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Author:  JamesGifford [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 7:10 am ]
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One of the more interesting things I've learned about the JFK assassination is that it may have been the Japanese who killed him... no, really. It just took 20 years for the final results.

JFK was never physically very healthy and there are indications that he entered the service with some political help, as he was technically 4F. When PT-109 was sunk, he badly injured his fragile back and never truly recovered. For the rest of his life, he wore massive braces and body bindings to support his back and help him cope with the pain.

The braces and bindings left him unable to turn his body and with limited ability to turn his head - you can see in some footage that he tends to pivot like a Ken doll rather than turn more naturally.

So when it came to Dallas, he was unable to duck when the shots began. The first shot missed; had he been able to, he likely would have ducked at least some, reducing the target. The second shot was not necessarily fatal, but would have knocked him over, out of range, had he not literally had a steel bar on his spine. Even badly wounded, he remained upright like a target dummy, and the third shot finished the job the Japanese had started 20 years earlier.

Seriously strange, eh?

Author:  RobertPearson [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:37 am ]
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I think you're right about the brace holding him up after the second shot hit. But partly because of the acoustics of the area, no one really seems to have realized the first shot was a rifle, as opposed to a car backfire or something.

You could use the same logic to say Joe Kennedy Jr.'s death in 1944 killed JFK. If Young Joe had survived the war he's the one that would have been pushed toward the Presidency. It is a fascinating study how all the various factors over many years brought JFK and Oswald to that spot in Dallas 48 years ago today.

Author:  JamesGifford [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:42 am ]
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Yes, it's a very slightly absurdist take, but it almost certainly was a factor in the outcome, and one of the many details most folks (even aficionados of the event, if that's the right word) aren't aware of.

Author:  ChuckA [ Tue Nov 22, 2011 11:34 pm ]
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In June 1963, I traveled to Germany for my two weeks active duty training in the Tennessee Air National Guard. We had reservations in the Von Streubin Hotel in Wiesbaden but found that the hotel had been taken over for President Kennedy’s visit to Germany so we had to find another hotel.

On the day of Kennedy’s arrival we walked over to the Von Streubin but couldn’t get close enough to see anything except his helicopter landing. I did get to see President Kennedy later that night as he rode down a dimly lit street in downtown Wiesbaden. As I stood in the crown lining the street watching President Kennedy ride past in an open convertible, I looked up at all the dark upper floor windows on either side of the street and observed how easy it would be for a sniper to kill the President. Five months later a sniper did just that in broad daylight in Dallas Texas.

Author:  NickDoten [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:13 am ]
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you could say that Joseph kennedy Sr's own failed political ambitions were the prime cause of JFK's (aka jack) death- Joe senior was the us ambassador to great britain and had eyes on the presidency for himself- after a very public verbal gaffe where he called democracy dead (was labeled a defeatist) and was recalled from england, he then began to politically groom his sons- if he couldn't be president, come hell or high water, one of his boys would be!

JFK's back problems were a lifelong health issue- political strings had to be pulled to even get him into the navy! while his pt boat getting rammed by a japanese destroyer may not have been the cause of jack's severe back problems, it certainly had to aggravate them- most importantly what this ramming did accomplish was creating the scenario where jfk would become a hero

in absurd fashion it could be conjectured that jack's heroics directly led to the death of his older brother, Joe Jr- the kennedy's were a fiercely competitive clan- after jack became a "hero", elder brother, joe jr may have felt compelled to become a hero himself which led to volunteering for very risky bombing mission- joe's b-24 liberator bomber went down in the english channel and was never found- as the eldest surviving son, jack became the spear point of his father's political ambitions

in the end, joe sr's money, clout, and personal political ambitions for his sons led to jack's presidency, another son, bobby being assassinated while campaigning for the presidency, and lastly ted's failed bid for the oval office- ultimately joe sr's political ambitions could be construed as the motive force behind the death of 3 of his 4 sons

obviously i've been watching too much history channel lately :)

Author:  RobertPearson [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:43 am ]
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Good points, Nick. The boys seem to have got the serial adultery bug from the Old Man, as well. But that's a whole 'nother story.

Author:  DanHenderson [ Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:04 am ]
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On November 22, 1963, at 1:05 p.m., I was walking to Freshman English class at MacArthur High School in Irving, Texas, 12 miles from Dealey Plaza where Kennedy was shot, when the announcement came over the school intercom. At that time, unbeknownst to me, Marina Oswald, wife of Lee Harvey, was staying at the home of the Irving chief of police, four houses down from ours on Princeton Street. Much later, in 1998, I dived the waters of the Solomon Islands where JFK's PT-109 was based, aboard the Bilikiki. One day, we dived at White's Beach, which we were told was one of the places PT-109 was stationed. There were sunken WW II trucks and planes in the shallow water to dive on. Even with all that connection I've never been to the Texas Schoolbook Depository Museum, which a friend who went there as part of attending Steven King's launch party for his book 11/22/63: A Novel, said was a complete rip-off (the museum, not the launch party).

Author:  holmesiv [ Thu Nov 24, 2011 6:06 pm ]
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DanHenderson wrote:
On November 22, 1963, at 1:05 p.m., I was walking to Freshman English class at MacArthur High School in Irving, Texas, 12 miles from Dealey Plaza where Kennedy was shot, when the announcement came over the school intercom. At that time, unbeknownst to me, Marina Oswald, wife of Lee Harvey, was staying at the home of the Irving chief of police, four houses down from ours on Princeton Street. Much later, in 1998, I dived the waters of the Solomon Islands where JFK's PT-109 was based, aboard the Bilikiki. One day, we dived at White's Beach, which we were told was one of the places PT-109 was stationed. There were sunken WW II trucks and planes in the shallow water to dive on. Even with all that connection I've never been to the Texas Schoolbook Depository Museum, which a friend who went there as part of attending Steven King's launch party for his book 11/22/63: A Novel, said was a complete rip-off (the museum, not the launch party).


And I drove past the cemetery Oswald was buried in for years without ever realizing his remains were there. Didn't ever bother looking for his grave after I learned that fact, as it's supposed to be unmarked.

Author:  TexasScot1952 [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 7:05 am ]
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And I drove past the cemetery Oswald was buried in for years without ever realizing his remains were there. Didn't ever bother looking for his grave after I learned that fact, as it's supposed to be unmarked.[/quote]

Actually the grave is marked, but his mother, who is buried beside him is unmarked.

My parents lived near Mrs Oswald and a teenaged Lee during the late 40s,
and I probably met Mrs Oswald when she worked at the candy counter at a
department store in west Ft Worth in the 50s.

Author:  holmesiv [ Thu Jun 21, 2012 1:18 pm ]
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TexasScot1952 wrote:
And I drove past the cemetery Oswald was buried in for years without ever realizing his remains were there. Didn't ever bother looking for his grave after I learned that fact, as it's supposed to be unmarked.


Actually the grave is marked, but his mother, who is buried beside him is unmarked.

My parents lived near Mrs Oswald and a teenaged Lee during the late 40s,
and I probably met Mrs Oswald when she worked at the candy counter at a
department store in west Ft Worth in the 50s.[/quote]

Yoiks! Which department store? South and later west FW is where I came up!

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