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I've seen it suggested several times that Margaret Atwood's The Handmaid's Tale can be thought of as taking place in the same setting as "If This Goes On...". I've not read the Atwood book, so I have no opinion.

But it may be of interest that there will be a new of the novel.


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The blurbs on amazon.com make it seem that If This Goes On . . was the jumping-off place for The Handmaid's Tale. It's now on my list to buy from amazon.com

Thanks, BillMullins.

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[Back after a busy week or two]

I'd say that both "If this Goes On..." and "The Handmaiden's Tale" are apocalyptic stories about takeover of the US government and society by extremist sects that are at least based on certain types of Fundamentalist Protestantism from the early 1900s Appalachian region and midwestern US. Heinlein's came first. The central characters and focus of the stories are quite different. Atwood's was on *women* and specifically one woman loosing her personhood, and then regaining it, despite her having forgotten much of her past and being enmeshed in the belief system at the beginning of the story. I find Offred, the Commander, *and* his wife all eminently believable and well-rounded characters. Her book ends with the main character's fate uncertain, throwing the book's focus squarely on the nightmare society it describes and not on what happens to that society.

Heinlein's book portrays a society that had lost its freedom due to fanatic fundamentalist religion, which he really loathed, *and* the successful revolt against that society and regaining of the lost freedom. It is IMHO not as written (heresy, I know) .:) It's also a lot less depressing; I'm not sure Heinlein had it in him to write a genuine dystopia, as Atwood did. I don't identify John Lyle to the same extent that I did with Offred, but since I'm female and never went to a military academy, this isn't surprising. Lyle's character seems to me to betaken from central casting -- the bright, innocent, handsome young eagle scout manifesting in the middle of a dark and thoroughly corrupt military priesthood serving an even more corrupt and nasty prophet. (If you've kept up with the news about the Mormon polygamous offshoot group the FLDS, think of the priesthood and police department run by it in Colorado City, Arizona/Hildale, Utah.) The books spends more time talking about the overthrow of the system than in exploring how people lived, adapted, and *felt* while under it.

I don't see either one as predictive of Donald Trump. by the way. Trump isn't either a true or false prophet. He is no sort of true believer in anything but Trump. He lacks the manipulation and acting skills to portray himself either as Nathaniel Scudder (a nasty but presumably believing prophet) or as the intelligent and corrupt Commander. Whatever you say about either Scudder or the Commander, they both showed *agency*. Trump like a lot of media stars reacts rather than acting; he's a projection of the desires of other people. Actress Lena Horne once said, about a small city that she found boring, "There's no *there* there." I've often thought that this comment applied better to certain people than to any city. It certainly makes me think of Donald Trump.

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Probably correct. I can hear Horne speaking in her lovely, warm southern accented voice when she says it, but she certainly could be quoting somebody else. Oakland, California definitely doesn't fit the statement now and hasn't since the late 1980s; I lived in the SF Bay Area for two decades and spent quite a bit of time in Oakland. But it might have fifty years earlier.

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I loved it. It's silly in places but seems plausible up to a point. The corrupt nature of the theocratic regime was killer. We recently saw "Purge: Election Year," which I enjoyed and portrayed some of the same dynamics. I had previously seen "The Purge," the first movie which focused on the killings. If you don't know, it's about our country (The U.S.) being under a regime which permits, for one night a year, free reign to murder and mayhem. Of course, most people huddle safely where they can. but the enthusiasts murder and rape with elan, while some fight the evil ones with equal force. I have not seen the second one, "Purge: Anarchy, " but now I want to. The ruling party calls itself "The New Founding Fathers," and their Presidential candidate is a Mitt Romney-looking jackass, but he could just as well have been a Donald Trump-looking jackass. I figure they made it back before the rise of Trump when it was presumed the Republicans would nominate another establishment type. Anyhow, "PEY" reminded me of both "the Handmaid's Tale" and "Revolt in 2100."


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