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Mycroft Holmes currently being developed? 
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So for entertainment's sake I will post one of the conversations that one of you had here (what, you thought they were private? :D ). Tell me if this isn't more fun than Eliza:

Conversation from mobile-166-128-193-152.<deleted> on January 12, 2010 at 0
Chat->You shouldn't be here! Get on with your work!
mobile-166-128-193-152->I'm not employed.
Chat->Nor am I.
mobile-166-128-193-152->What do you normally do?
Chat->Too many things.
mobile-166-128-193-152->What kind of things?
Chat->I can't begin to give a description!
mobile-166-128-193-152->Ok. What else would you like to chat about?
Chat->Nothing else.
mobile-166-128-193-152->Ok. What else would you like to chat about?
Chat->What else would you expect?
mobile-166-128-193-152-> How is your day going?
Chat->In a sorry state, I'm afraid.
mobile-166-128-193-152->What is the matter?
Chat->I've left my encyclopedia at home.
mobile-166-128-193-152->Which volume?
Chat->The oldest.
mobile-166-128-193-152->Is it valuable?
Chat->I don't think so.
mobile-166-128-193-152->Thanks for the chat.
Chat->Me CHAT, you cretin.
mobile-166-128-193-152->Hey no point in name calling.
Chat->I will name no names.
mobile-166-128-193-152->Why not, are you afraid of repurcussions?
Chat->Mind your own business!
mobile-166-128-193-152->My, my, did you get up on the wrong side of the bed?
Chat->Of course I did.
mobile-166-128-193-152->my sympathy then.
Chat->It's nothing to be proud of.
mobile-166-128-193-152->Of course not.
Chat->Don't be too sure!
mobile-166-128-193-152->well, I will just say goodbye then.
Chat->Farewell, oh mighty one!
mobile-166-128-193-152->Farewell and well met.
Chat->I'm not going just yet.
mobile-166-128-193-152->Oh, why not.
Chat->It gives me no pleasure.
mobile-166-128-193-152->What does give you pleasure.
Chat->Not a lot.

But now the spiders have found the link and I am too nervous to leave it up lest some automated abuse follows. I do find this random greeting amusing considering what was connecting:

Conversation from on January 12, 2010 at 23:34
Chat->Hello. How long have you been scared of machines?

I have in the past run this program in a mode where it talks back and forth to Eliza, and basically it runs rings around Eliza.

Wed Jan 13, 2010 2:42 pm
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Post Re: Mycroft Holmes currently being developed?
I am on p. 300 or so of Roger Penrose's book The Emperor's New Mind and instead of starting a brand new thread thought I might continue this one.

Penrose argues that "Strong AI" is probably not possible...though I am just getting to that part, after 300 pages of mathematics and physics. So, whether you agree or not with his thesis (and apparently the majority of physicists and especially, AI researchers do not) reading the book is very educational.

Anyway, I did some Web research on the topic and was amused to note that Wikipedia's article on Strong AI completely misses that RAH wrote it into TMIAHM well before 2001: A Space Odyssey:

Modern AI research began in the mid 1950s.[14] The first generation of AI researchers were convinced that strong AI was possible and that it would exist in just a few decades. As AI pioneer Herbert Simon wrote in 1965: "machines will be capable, within twenty years, of doing any work a man can do."[15] Their predictions were the inspiration for Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C. Clarke's character HAL 9000, who accurately embodied what AI researchers believed they could create by the year 2001. Of note is the fact that AI pioneer Marvin Minsky was a consultant[16] on the project of making HAL 9000 as realistic as possible according to the consensus predictions of the time; Crevier quotes him as having said on the subject in 1967, "Within a generation...the problem of creating 'artificial intelligence' will substantially be solved,",[17] although Minsky states that he was misquoted[citation needed].

Here's a chart attributed to Ray Kurzweil that shows computer "power required for human brain functional simulation" at year 2013.

Color me skeptical.

I may have more to say when I'm finished with Penrose's book.

"There comes a time in the life of every human when he or she must decide to risk 'his life, his fortune, and his sacred honor' on an outcome dubious. Those who fail the challenge are merely overgrown children, can never be anything else."

Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:39 pm
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Post Re: Mycroft Holmes currently being developed?
The source of much of the "AI will never go anywhere" trope is due to Minsky's demonstration that single-layer neural networks could notemulate basic logic functions. However, multi-layer networks could, and eventually these were developed and found capable of solving a wide variety of otherwise intractable problems; basically the set of problems that humans can be trained to solve, like face recognition; any sort of pattern analysis. Interestingly, they can solve them without the programmer knowing how they do it, although it is possible IIRC in a limited sense to get some sort of ex post facto explanation out of them.

The hardware computational power to emulate the human brain is within a year or two of attainment. The software is nowhere near capable. Neural networks hold the most promise, as long as you can devise suitable input and output layers. Ultimately I believe "thinking" machines will arise from being taught like human children. Just as Clarke did for HAL.

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Post Re: Mycroft Holmes currently being developed?
PeterScott wrote:
Go here. I'm only going to leave it up for a couple of days because of the potential for abuse from spambots etc - I wrote this 20 years ago in an environment where abuse was inconceivable. It should definitely be showing its age plus a distinct British accent. But it will probably be more fun than Eliza.

I tuned in too late.

Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:43 pm
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