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The Rolling Stones: 'M-S-G' 
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Post The Rolling Stones: 'M-S-G'
Re-reading The Rolling Stones for the nth time, I noticed an odd usage.

Toward the end of Chapter 7, In the Gravity Well (page 102 in the Scribners edition), the spaceship receives a dangerously delayed radio message:

"Now they tell us!" Hazel exploded. "Oh, those cushion warmers! Those bureaucrats! I'll bet that M-S-G has been holding in the tank for the past hour waiting for someidiot to finish discussing his missing laundry."

So what is 'M-S-G' doing here? My first thought was that it's a leftover typo for 'msg'; but typos are vanishingly few in the Heinlein juveniles. Or perhaps Heinlein's typescript read 'msg' or 'MSG' and Scribners' typesetter inserted the hyphens rather than expanding Heinlein's abbreviation.

My friend and fellow Heinlein reviewer, Ron Grube -- who has an extensive background in radio as well as in the Navy, suggested that it may be spelling-for-emphasis. For instance, I might say, "I wasn't in the Navy, I was in the A-R-M-Y!" This seems the kind of thing that Heinlein might have recalled from his Navy or WW2 days, and dropped into the scene for an extra bit of color. 'Message Sent Glacially' or something like that.

What do you think?

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Post Re: The Rolling Stones: 'M-S-G'
I think it just evolves from "message" "msg" "MSG" "M-S-G" with the last being special emphasis. I'd bet that any Navy contemporary of Heinlein's would confirm the usage.

Unless Hazel is making an early covert rant against the use of monosodium glutamate in ship's food.

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Post Re: The Rolling Stones: 'M-S-G'
I'm not sure on the M[moon?modern?merchant?] but I'd bet the S-G is space gram.


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JamesGifford wrote:
I think it just evolves from "message" "msg" "MSG" "M-S-G" with the last being special emphasis. I'd bet that any Navy contemporary of Heinlein's would confirm the usage.

Unless Hazel is making an early covert rant against the use of monosodium glutamate in ship's food.

I checked the compositor's manuscript, and it's in there, M-S-G


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Post Re: The Rolling Stones: 'M-S-G'
Speaking from the British Army point of view - M S G is the "short" for for message especially when written down as a form of shorthand. (eg Msg for Mr Heinlein from Keith Jones) I certainly interperet it as message. As previously said, RAH showing his military background!

This often confuses people who arent in the know - for example we used to have Self Loading Rifles - S L R - but as everyone know this is a camera! (Single Lens Reflex) this could get very weird at times! ;)


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KeithJones923 wrote:
...we used to have Self Loading Rifles - S L R - but as everyone know this is a camera! (Single Lens Reflex) this could get very weird at times! ;)

It does utterly change the meaning of "get a shot off" and "point and shoot"...

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Post Re: The Rolling Stones: 'M-S-G'
Master's Service Gram.

Regarding the Titanic, a telegram was sen to the Titanic by another vessel that detailed the location of the fateful ice field. However,
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...it did not carry the all-important prefix MSG, Master's Service Gram, which required a personal receipt from the captain.

What Really Sank the Titanic: New Forensic Discoveries

see also: Titanic Tech Questions note 32 and The Titanic Radio Page

I can't avoid making an ironic comment about telegraphy conventions not surviving the 50 years since Rolling Stones was written, much less into Heinlein's imagined future.

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Post Re: The Rolling Stones: 'M-S-G'
Thanks, Fred, that's truly interesting. I've read a lot on the Titanic and never come across that.


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I've read a lot on the Titanic and never come across that.

Neither did I until a day or so ago. :) Synchronicity. Some cable station (NatGeo?) ran show that used CGI and actors to reenact the Titanic story. I wasn't even paying much attention until the narrator mentioned the "MSG" omission.

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