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HB... I get the feeling that anything I add is just going to throw gasoline on the fire. However, I will address your comments in the interest of mutual and all-round harmony.

I don't think it's hard to see your replies as being defensive. And there's been no need for you to be defensive or combative at any time. I think you perhaps misunderstand both the nature of this forum and the intent of my comments.

This forum is for the discussion of topics related to Robert Heinlein. Emphasis is on discussion. You cannot post things as if they were articles to be read but not replied to. You also cannot post ideas and theories and expect only agreement or applause - this is one corner of the net that holds to old-fashioned ideas about debate, and the notion that respondents can only agree or keep silent (the "be nice or shut up" model) does not hold. In short, if you expect to post here with nothing but nodding acceptance of your claims and ideas, you're in the wrong place. This is also not a blog; if you posted with the notion that you can control or limit the responses, that's also incorrect.

Not that anyone has said anything particularly unkind here; some of us just don't think you've made a self-standing case for your claim. I have (in short) said I think your supporting data is thin and selectively chosen. Bill Patterson has said much the same thing. Bill, Peter Scott and I have all said that it's interesting; do continue the topic.

This is also a forum for very focused discussion that has drawn some of the best minds in Heinlein studies. If you're going to present an unusual (but possibly workable) idea such as that you've outlined, it's not going to be read only by amateurs, fans and casual readers. Instead of being upset that some respondents don't think you've proven your case, you might be a little flattered that some very experienced and knowledgeable folks are intrigued by your claim and would like to help you refine it until it's conclusive one way or the other.


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Post Re: Attempt to Forge New Heinlein-Inspired Political Term
Try not to take anything said here personally. It's pretty easy to get into a heated discussion on one thread of the board, and have a most cordial one on another thread on the board at the same time. Any criticism I've ever received here has been to what I've said, not to me. And just about all the critics here can take it as well as give it. Please do stick around, and continue to contribute.


One another (off-topic) note, how did you happen to get into a conversation with Kathry Bigelow? "Near Dark" is one of my all-time favorite movies ("I fought for the south -- we lost." And "I taught him everything he knows, but not everything I know.") and certainly the best vampire movie made since the Tod Browning "Dracula".


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Post Re: Attempt to Forge New Heinlein-Inspired Political Term
Um, how odd.

Not only has Hal O'Brien ceased to participate in this thread, but his long-standing blog (I thought I saw article dates back to 2001 or so) referenced at the beginning of this topic has been... emptied out. I don't know if this is a temporary bug of some kind or what.

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