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jeepojiii wrote:
I wouldn't discount WWII as being the major cause of that "break". Pre-WWII, SF was a magazine-driven market appealing to "oddball writers interested in that oddball spaceship stuff" growing from fans of that oddball spaceship stuff. During the war years, those young fans were either serving in the military or working 12-hour shifts in war plants. No time to write [or learn to write] until the war ended. That "48-49 or so" was the learning curve of those who made their bones after the war. At least, that's the way I see it.


This makes sense to me.


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JamesGifford wrote:
I haven't done an exhaustive search, but there appears to be something of a break between about 1941 and 1948-9 or so. That is, we couldn't find a name-brand writer who first published in that range. Everything during the war and immediate aftermath was writers who had established themselves pre-war, with the new crop not publishing their first works until almost 1950.


Hal Clement 1942
George O. Smith 1942
J. Francis McComas 1943 (started editing in 1946)
Jack Vance 1945
Groff Conklin 1946
Judith Merril 1946
William Tenn 1946
Poul Anderson 1947
Reginald Bretnor 1947
H. Beam Piper 1947
Jack Finney 1948
Jerome Bixby 1949

Found these by old fashioned googling and hand-querying the IFSDB. But a few counter-examples don't invalidate the general trend that Jim discovered, I think.


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Still a substantive break over the war; even Heinlein had publications in 1942 from earlier effort. Not surprising, I suppose, in light of events.

But as most of that list is also gone, I'll repeat the basic question: are ANY prewar writers left with Pohl's passing?

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it seems very doubtful that any pre-war writers are still with us- even if they were published at age 20, this would still mean they'd be in their 90's- which leaves this as possible but unlikely- lol jim i know i didn't answer your question but lacking heavy research i'll guess "no"- the actuarial tables would agree ;)


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JamesGifford wrote:
But as most of that list is also gone, I'll repeat the basic question: are ANY prewar writers left with Pohl's passing?


Uh, you saw the database query I posted? That's about as close as it gets to a definitive answer, I reckon. Depends on whether you count those authors it turned up and whether they are in fact still among the living.


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Sorry, the topic page split made me miss that post. So it looks like two vanishingly minor authors have prewar credits and may still be alive; Kyle is not minor but he's not significant as a writer, AFAICT. More important as the founder of Gnome Press and being one of the earliest BNFs.

Bill P. couldn't think of any other candidates, either, which I'd take as pretty close to absolute.

I think Pohl has left the building and taken the event horizon with him. Damn. World just got a little smaller, didn't it?


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I goofed; I sorted on the wrong column (the previous version of the query I did had the author birthdate in it). Here's the correctly sorted list, with 00 days and months replaced by 01 as a side effect:

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+-----------------+--------------------------+-------------------------------+--------------+
| title_copyright | author_canonical         | title_title                   | title_ttype  |
+-----------------+--------------------------+-------------------------------+--------------+
| 1935-08-01      | Alan Connell             | The Reign of the Reptiles     | SHORTFICTION |
| 1935-11-01      | Alan Connell             | Dream's End                   | SHORTFICTION |
| 1936-03-01      | Alan Connell             | The Duplicate                 | SHORTFICTION |
| 1936-03-01      | Alan Connell             | Fate                          | SHORTFICTION |
| 1936-03-01      | George F. Gatter         | The Emotion Gas               | SHORTFICTION |
| 1937-07-01      | Leslie J. Johnson        | Seeker of To-morrow           | SHORTFICTION |
| 1937-07-01      | Leslie J. Johnson        | Seeker of Tomorrow            | SHORTFICTION |
| 1938-01-01      | Leslie J. Johnson        | Satellites of Death           | SHORTFICTION |
| 1939-05-01      | William L. Hamling       | War with Jupiter              | SHORTFICTION |
| 1941-02-01      | David A. Kyle            | Golden Nemesis                | SHORTFICTION |
| 1941-11-01      | Alan Connell             | Espionage in Space            | SHORTFICTION |
| 1943-05-01      | Peter Hamilton           | The Meteor Makers             | SHORTFICTION |
| 1944-01-01      | Ruth Stiles Gannett      | My Father's Dragon            | NOVEL        |
| 1944-09-01      | William L. Hamling       | Overlord of Venus             | SHORTFICTION |
| 1944-10-01      | William L. Hamling       | The Man Who Spoke Too Late    | SHORTFICTION |
| 1945-01-01      | Alan Connell             | Lords of Serpent Land         | SHORTFICTION |
| 1945-01-01      | Alan Connell             | Prisoners of Serpent Land     | SHORTFICTION |
| 1945-01-01      | Alan Connell             | Warriors of Serpent Land      | SHORTFICTION |
| 1945-06-01      | William L. Hamling       | Peril from the Outlands       | SHORTFICTION |
| 1945-09-01      | William L. Hamling       | The Animated Tenpin           | SHORTFICTION |
| 1945-10-01      | William L. Hamling       | Bag and Baggage               | SHORTFICTION |
| 1945-12-01      | William L. Hamling       | A Problem in Lumbering        | SHORTFICTION |
| 1945-12-01      | William L. Hamling       | Planet of the Duplicates      | SHORTFICTION |
| 1946-01-01      | Oriel Malet              | My Bird Sings                 | NOVEL        |
| 1946-05-01      | Chan Davis               | The Nightmare                 | SHORTFICTION |
| 1946-07-01      | William L. Hamling       | Jimmy Takes a Trip            | SHORTFICTION |
| 1946-08-01      | Paul A. Carter           | The Last Objective            | SHORTFICTION |
| 1946-09-01      | William L. Hamling       | The Mirror                    | SHORTFICTION |
| 1946-10-01      | Chan Davis               | To Still the Drums            | SHORTFICTION |
| 1946-11-01      | William L. Hamling       | Shadow of the Sphinx          | SHORTFICTION |
| 1947-01-01      | Esther Carlson           | Museum Piece                  | SHORTFICTION |
| 1947-01-01      | William L. Hamling       | Rejuvenation Asteroid         | SHORTFICTION |
| 1947-02-01      | William L. Hamling       | Orphan of Atlans              | SHORTFICTION |
| 1947-05-01      | Chan Davis               | The Journey and the Goal      | SHORTFICTION |
| 1947-06-01      | Chan Davis               | Letter to Ellen               | SHORTFICTION |
| 1947-07-01      | Edward Grendon           | The Figure                    | SHORTFICTION |
| 1947-08-01      | William L. Hamling       | The Prop                      | SHORTFICTION |
| 1947-10-01      | Peter Grainger           | Target                        | SHORTFICTION |
| 1948-01-01      | Margaret Priestley       | The Ring of Fortune           | NOVEL        |
| 1948-02-07      | Roger Angell             | Just a Matter of Time         | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-01-01      | George C. Appell         | Listening Land                | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-01-01      | Harlan Ellison           | The Sword of Parmagon         | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-01-01      | Harlan Ellison           | The Gloconda                  | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-01-01      | James E. Gunn            | Paradox                       | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-01-01      | James E. Gunn            | Communications                | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-03-01      | Robert Williams          | Refuge for Tonight            | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-07-01      | Edward Grendon           | Trip One                      | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-08-01      | William L. Hamling       | The Man Who Laughed at Time   | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-10-01      | Chan Davis               | The Aristocrat                | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-10-01      | Katherine MacLean        | Defense Mechanism             | SHORTFICTION |
| 1949-10-01      | Winona McClintic         | In the Days of Our Fathers    | SHORTFICTION
| 1950-01-01      | James E. Gunn            | The Man with Common Sense     | SHORTFICTION |
| 1950-01-01      | Katherine MacLean        | The Pyramid in the Desert     | SHORTFICTION |
| 1950-01-01      | Olivia Robertson         | Miranda Speaks                | NOVEL        |
| 1950-01-01      | Olympe Bhêly-Quénum      | A Child in the Bush of Ghosts | SHORTFICTION |
| 1950-01-01      | Olympe Bhêly-Quénum      | A Child in the Bush of Ghosts | SHORTFICTION |
| 1950-01-01      | Paul A. Carter           | An Ounce of Prevention        | SHORTFICTION |
| 1950-01-01      | Peter Grainger           | Not to Be Opened-             | SHORTFICTION |
| 1950-01-01      | Peter Grainger           | Inoculation                   | SHORTFICTION |
| 1950-01-01      | Peter Grainger           | Forbidden Fruit               | SHORTFICTION |
| 1950-01-01      | Philip Reynolds (author) | Ce pourrait se passe comme ca | NOVEL        |
| 1950-01-01      | Ruth Stiles Gannett      | Elmer and the Dragon          | NOVEL        |


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Post Re: Fred Pohl
JamesGifford wrote:
I think Pohl has left the building and taken the event horizon with him. Damn. World just got a little smaller, didn't it?

You betcha. The more so because he was a friend.

I rounded up some links to online audio featuring Fred's voice.

I hope to write more about him soon.

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David Kyle at the just-completed WorldCon (LoneStarCon). Scroll Down


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