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1959 TANSTAAFL Sighting
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Author:  beamjockey [ Fri Mar 22, 2013 9:18 am ]
Post subject:  1959 TANSTAAFL Sighting

I've just found an editorial in the December 14, 1959 issue of Life. The last line on the page is: "There ain't no such thing as free lunch."

There's a Wikipedia page summarizing efforts to find the origin of the phrase, with the earliest instance being 1938. So this 1959 example is nowhere near the origin.

Neverthelesss, I thought this worth noting as a particularly high-profile venue for TANSTA(A)FL, one that Heinlein might well have seen.

Author:  JamesGifford [ Fri Mar 22, 2013 10:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1959 TANSTAAFL Sighting

Are you questioning RAH's tale that he got it from Jerry Pournelle's father, who was also active in 1930s politics and dated the term to that era?

Author:  beamjockey [ Fri Mar 22, 2013 4:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: 1959 TANSTAAFL Sighting

JamesGifford wrote:
Are you questioning RAH's tale that he got it from Jerry Pournelle's father, who was also active in 1930s politics and dated the term to that era?
No, I hadn't heard that tale.

And certainly I have no evidence that Heinlein read the Life editorial.

Author:  BillMullins [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1959 TANSTAAFL Sighting

Some fellow members of the American Dialect Society listserv have been tackling this lately:

http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2016-August/143692.html
. . . which leads to http://quoteinvestigator.com/2016/08/27/free-lunch/

followed by:
[urlhttp://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2016-August/143703.html]http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2016-August/143703.html[/url]

Author:  Kangaroo [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 7:45 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1959 TANSTAAFL Sighting

JamesGifford wrote:
Are you questioning RAH's tale that he got it from Jerry Pournelle's father, who was also active in 1930s politics and dated the term to that era?


What is the source of this tale?

Author:  BillMullins [ Mon Aug 29, 2016 11:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: 1959 TANSTAAFL Sighting

Pournelle claimed in 2002 that the acronym went from his father, to Jerry Pournelle, to Heinlein, and that Heinlein acknowledged such several times:
link

Patterson expands the story in vol 2 of the biography
link

let me edit that last link in my previous post:

http://listserv.linguistlist.org/pipermail/ads-l/2016-August/143703.html

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