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http://www.thespacereview.com/article/951/1

This article compares some modern space pioneers to Heinlein characters.

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Less technothrilling, perhaps, but I don't think anyone can read a summary biography of Lillian Gilbreth and not think Heinlein's women characters all pale a bit in comparison.

I never have been able to determine if they ever met. There are certainly many crossing paths and RAH did reference therbligs in the Notebooks (and somewhere else in the canon, both fic and nonfic, but the links escape me). Bill did a quick search of his notes and came up empty.

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Sometime in the last year, I read a biography of Lillian Gilbreath and she was
amazing. Truth is stranger than fiction.


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TexasScot1952 wrote:
Sometime in the last year, I read a biography of Lillian Gilbreath and she was
amazing. Truth is stranger than fiction.

Much. However, if what you read was one of the two feminist (pardon me, "Women's Studies") bios, much of the truth was eclipsed by things much stranger than either truth or fiction. (Basically, both bend over so far to dismiss Frank's contributions that someone reading these books in a vacuum would assume he was an excrescence whose only purpose was to hold her back until he died.)

It's a product of the late 1940s when it was written, but Edna Yost's Frank and Lillian Gilbreth: Partners for Life remains the definitive dual biography... and no single biography can do either of them justice.

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It is interesting that Gilbreth considered salary/wages an indirect incentive and job satisfaction a direct incentive. Perceptive, that.

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sakeneko wrote:
It is interesting that Gilbreth considered salary/wages an indirect incentive and job satisfaction a direct incentive. Perceptive, that.


Hmm. I often pay the rent with job satisfaction. Utilities, too.


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The Gilbreths were classic progressive-era idealists. At that, I'll take their ideals in a heartbeat over those of, say, Taylor, whose only interest was extracting as much work from each worker as possible, without the slightest consideration of human factors.


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I always wonder why anybody let the words "progressive" and "liberal" be turned into insults. Ditto "do gooders". Progress, liberty, and doing good aren't qualities that I think we as a country or as part of the human race would want to discourage, although I find some ideas of what constitutes those things or will promote them to be a bit dodgy.

HolmesIV -- job satisfaction is what keeps you happy to do one job over time. Any job can pay the bills, at least if you keep the bills low. Only the right job for you can keep you happy while spending 8 hours or more out of every 24 doing it.

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sakeneko wrote:
I always wonder why anybody let the words "progressive" and "liberal" be turned into insults. Ditto "do gooders". Progress, liberty, and doing good aren't qualities that I think we as a country or as part of the human race would want to discourage, although I find some ideas of what constitutes those things or will promote them to be a bit dodgy.

HolmesIV -- job satisfaction is what keeps you happy to do one job over time. Any job can pay the bills, at least if you keep the bills low. Only the right job for you can keep you happy while spending 8 hours or more out of every 24 doing it.


Wish I had one of those!


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We could get into why you don't have the right job, but this convo has taken enough sharp turns already.


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