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He's good. And I like the comments there too.


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Scalzi is good at making points.

I pointed out to someone of the right political persuasion that "going Galt" has no point unless the individual taking low employment or retiring is of magnificent intelligence and crucially necessary to the continuation of a business or industry. For anyone else it's a hilariously overinflated gesture.

Fine for a point in fiction, laughable in the real world.


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"Long narratives" is quite the euphemism from one point of view. But I must admit it held my attention all the way through on the one reading I have given it. Even the famous Speech, although I spent most of the time sharpening my blade for hypothetical riposts.

(I wonder whether Heinlein was influenced any by Rand's characters' speechifying? He has a similar penchant for long didactic dialogues and monologues. Although his are far more entertaining than hers.)

I saw Shrugged as the biggest strawman of all time. It's not that I disagree with her main points, it's that she casts all holders of opposing viewpoints as evil or ignorant and never allows them to make any of the decent counterarguments, thereby implying that there aren't any. When they get some air time, I am drawn to more moderate conclusions.

But without Shrugged, what would college students have to talk about? It is practically a rite of passage.


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This always made me chuckle whenever Atlas Shrugged is mentioned.




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I have seen it said that taxes are the price the wealthy pay for the proletariat not revolting. There's a lot to be said for that.


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Well Jim, it is because we are coming to the end of a generation of percentage raises. When everyone gets 10%, the guy making 80,000 gets a whole lot more raise than the guy making 10,000.

But programming percentages is so much easier than dealing with pay tables that the lazy way has been in effect a long time -- and it shows. And at the end of 10 years of this the 10,000 guy is making 26,918, and all thanks to the fact that the base shifts every year.

I told someone in City personnel years ago that the system was going to fail one day. Good old Heinlein and the Newdollar.

We are headed there.


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