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MaxGriffin wrote:
I thought this was quite good. Someone earlier pointed out that Star Trek is basically a TV comic book, and I can't dispute that. But people who found meaning in the earlier incarnations should like this one. I posted a review at my blog:

http://maxgriffin.blogspot.com/2009/05/beam-me-up-jj-review-of-new-start-trek.html

Enjoyed your review. I felt you captured some of what others have missed re this reinterpretation of Roddenberry's vision, and the hope that is so much more critical than the special effects.

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Wed May 20, 2009 7:04 am
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ok folks, tonight I'm taking my daughter to wee ST (at her insistance not mine)- while I was a fan of the origianl series, I've been hesitant to partake of "another" ST flick because other than (IMHO) The Wrath of Khan, the remainder were, well, just expanded versions of the tv show. They frittered away the opportunity to give depth to the ST story and it's charactors. It was said that the tv shows were just comic book stories. I remain hopeful however that this movie will strive to be a bit more.

So after reading all your reviews, off I go where many men have gone before ! Where's the popcorn? damn the lady with the beehive hair and the guy with the sombrerro (again) ;)


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Nick Doten wrote:
ok folks, tonight I'm taking my daughter to wee ST (at her insistance not mine)- while I was a fan of the origianl series, I've been hesitant to partake of "another" ST flick because other than (IMHO) The Wrath of Khan, the remainder were, well, just expanded versions of the tv show. They frittered away the opportunity to give depth to the ST story and it's charactors. It was said that the tv shows were just comic book stories. I remain hopeful however that this movie will strive to be a bit more.

So after reading all your reviews, off I go where many men have gone before ! Where's the popcorn? damn the lady with the beehive hair and the guy with the sombrerro (again) ;)


Let us know what you think afterwards, Nick. I think you'll enjoy the hell out of it.

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Ok just lost a half hour's writing and editing here- will try to recapture what I had said. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR...........................


Sun May 24, 2009 8:42 am
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Ok Jim WTF? I lost another long post by typing into the suggested box and hitting the submit button- this is frustrating to say the least


Sun May 24, 2009 10:13 am
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so why will this program allow me to post after this loss without re-entering it? my daughter suggests i compose in word and then copy and paste it here- grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr..................


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Ok, three times is the charm right? One last attempt to relay my Star Trek experience to you and my observations of it ! What I found in this movie was a very mixed bag. Much to like and some things which make me crazy.

I’ll start with the things which I found lacking. While my daughter mentioned she thought that the producers and director were trying to broach ST to entirely new generation, I feel that they missed the mark in several areas. First off was the character of Kirk. The beginning of this flick shows his father fending off the villains attack whilst his wife is delivering little James Tiberius aboard a fleeing shuttle. They then flash forward to little Jimmy racing his step-father’s vintage corvette towards and off a humongous canyon (in Iowa?) and then to a bar full of Star Fleet Cadets where he hits on Uhuru. Nowhere do they explain why James Kirk might be a juvenile delinquent nor why he’s both a foolish, drunken lout and a womanizer. He just is. By including a couple interim family scenes they could have provided substance to the character.

Secondly, when Pike meets Kirk there, he gives him an invitation to board the shuttle bound for the academy. What did he see in him beyond the obvious fool ! There had to be something right? You’re expected to make a giant leap in assuming he truly belongs there for unobvious reasons. During his tenure at the Academy, we witness James chasing tail, and finally cheating an all important exam. This in itself was grounds for dismissal.

As the cadre and students are bolting to join the fleet, which is under attack by our villainous villain, James is ordered to remain ashore. He defies this order and becomes basically a stow away aboard a vessel headed into war. Upon his discovery aboard by Captain Pike ( before Pike shuttles to the villain’s ship) he’s appointed First Officer? Get a grip you dreaming director. Sure they needed to put Kirk in a position to assume command but in reality Kirk would’ve been court-martialed for both defying a direct order and stowing away on the Enterprise!! He was guilty of each under whatever form of military justice prevailed in this era. Simply violating a direct order in time of war is grounds for execution under the UCMJ (uniform code of military justice) not a promotion from cadet to first officer!!!! Kirk was not super cargo nor a supernumery, he was a criminal.

I also think the movie missed the mark by not developing some of the other essential albeit subsidiary members of the Star Trek crew. Sulu was throwing an action scene skydiving onto the villain’s drilling platform and then nothing else. Chekov was portrayed as a annoying little geek. Both were left paper thin as characters.

Somebody making this film was in love with Uhuru however. She was featured as Jim’s love interest early on and them evolved into a gal in love with Spock. Surely she provided an easy way to play upon Spock’s human emotions but then she was essentially ignored the rest of the way.

Now for the parts I enjoyed and feel where they “got it right”. At this point it would appear that I hated the flick. Far from it for I feel they got much more right than wrong here.

The young Spock character as portrayed was outstanding and his character largely allowed to grow. We’re shown his struggles as a half breed upon Vulcan and how, when he was awarded entrance into the elite Vulcan academy, he made the illogical choice of enlisting in Star Fleet. Although the Elders believed he had overcome a handicap (being half human), Spock himself felt repelled by their observation. He loved and valued his human mother as well as his Vulcan father (who later admits he married her for an illogical reason such as Love).

Later, as Spock is forced to admit logic alone can not defeat an insurmountable foe, he comes to the realization that human illogic might be the answer to this dilemma. This bolt of lightning allows him to step aside and allow Kirk to ascend to the captaincy of the Enterprise even though he seems ill-prepared and ill-suited for the position. I see him fighting his diametrically opposed selves- one as a calm cool calculating Vulcan and the other as a irrational emotional human. This internal war allows him to let James T. Kirk assume captaincy of the Enterprise although he, Spock, is eminently more qualified for command.

The addition of Leonard Nimoy in this movie had a profound impact to it’s success. First off he provided the last link in the chain of Spock the child, to Spock the career Star Fleet officer in his prime (read tv series), to who Spock finally becomes. We see his growth into an Elder who’s wisdom transcends these younger characters. The character becomes complete.

For once I was able to find a movie villain believable. The planet devouring antagonist was given a reason for his actions which were realistic. He had witnessed the destruction of his own planet and the end of all he knew and loved. His anger was allowed to smolder for 25 years as he plotted revenge upon those (Spock and the Federation) responsible. He wanted them to feel his pain. Not your usual shallow evil doer was he?

Lastly, I felt the intros and characterizations of both Bones and Scotty were spot on. They were even given lines which tied them to future/past characters and made them genuinely “human”.

The special effects were nothing short of fantastic ! When the Enterprise re-joined the ruined fleet and flew through the debris field, well it felt like you were there. Yep, in reality it would’ve been more dispersed but I can allow for a suspension of disbelief here. It was carnage. Add in the skydiving onto the drilling platform I mentioned earlier, well, it put me on edge. This was probably due to my own fear of heights but it had impact and placed the Kirk Sulu combo in dire jeopardy.

The views offered of the Enterprise’s bridge and control area was absolutely believable. Gone were the amateurish depiction of the TV series and instead we could be impressed by the complexity of what was needed to pilot and control a Star Fleet warship.

Ok, I digress as usual here. I’ll leave this as it is for the moment and allow others to profer their comments on the movie

I would grade this movie at least a B+ and arguably an “A”

Nick


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Sun May 24, 2009 12:05 pm
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ok in my rush i left out a qualifying word

where i refered to the movie villain it should read "a believable movie villain" not "a believable movie"

my regrets

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you can tell i don't post all that often here- i found the edit button !! :oops:


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A friend passed along this review of ST I thought too cute to pass up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02LgdXVkXgM&feature=dir


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