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Author:  PeterScott [ Sun May 05, 2013 4:22 pm ]
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Against Security: How We Go Wrong at Airports, Subways, and Other Sites of Ambiguous Danger analyses the effects, effectiveness, and sociology of modern security efforts. Starting with - strange as it may seem - an excursion into public conveniences, it then segues to subways, and the lion's share is spent on airports before an exploration of Hurricane Katrina.

This book says many of the things I've been trying to say for years, more thoughtfully, in more depth, with more nuance, and research rigor, and does it without parroting Bruce Schneider (although citing him liberally). Loud and clear is the message that the individual members of the public are the best security, and that official efforts have quite possibly never been effective, but are vastly costly in many dimensions. Tidbit: NY MTA subway operators are forbidden from touching members of the public under any circumstances. Fortunately some of them have ignored this and other rules in instances the author cites that saved lives.

I don't expect this considered treatise to gain any traction among the mouth-breathing Pavlov-trained Faux News watchers that make up a voting majority in the USA. More's the pity, but if that weren't the case we quite probably would never have responded in the ways that the author dissects to begin with.

Author:  wdg3rd [ Sat Oct 19, 2013 10:43 am ]
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Scott Bieser has a good answer. [url="http://www.scottbieser.com/images/sept11_c540jpg"]armed individuals[/url]

Author:  DanHenderson [ Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:32 am ]
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The URL didn't work for me. Could it have been this?

Author:  RobertPearson [ Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:01 am ]
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PeterScott wrote:
I don't expect this considered treatise to gain any traction among the mouth-breathing Pavlov-trained Faux News watchers that make up a voting majority in the USA. More's the pity, but if that weren't the case we quite probably would never have responded in the ways that the author dissects to begin with.


Sounds like a valuable book Peter, even though by I've been reading Schneier for many years.

However, I take issue with your reference to "mouth-breathing Pavlov-trained Faux News watchers that make up a voting majority in the USA." I don't think they have anything to do with the present "security" regime. Whomever "they" are, they voted for Obama, apparently, the liberal who took hold of Bush's security/surveillance state and doubled down.

As RAH noted about a dozen dozen times, the plebs aren't capable of much long-range time preference and have to be taken care of by elites. Unfortunately, our "elites" right now are lousy. I don't see that having anything to do with Faux News watchers. Maybe you would care to extend your remarks?

Author:  PeterScott [ Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Against Security

You're right; while I think the paranoid demographic does skew mainly right-wing, the current administration has done nothing to wind us down from DefCon 11. To my everlasting chagrin.

Author:  wdg3rd [ Thu Oct 24, 2013 4:53 am ]
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DanHenderson wrote:
The URL didn't work for me. Could it have been this?


yes, that's the picture. Still haven't got my typing "skills" solidly in place on this Nook, plus inserting URLs into forum messages has always been a pain in the tochus.

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