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Author:  JamesGifford [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 4:58 pm ]
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I don't believe there are any fen present, Tina being the only exception and a special one at that. So yes, it is "present company excepted" because we generally ain't them.

Author:  BillPatterson [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:25 pm ]
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JamesGifford wrote:
I don't believe there are any fen present, Tina being the only exception and a special one at that. So yes, it is "present company excepted" because we generally ain't them.

Well, I still consider myself a fan -- albeit an exceptionally crochety one.

Author:  georule [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 5:50 pm ]
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BillPatterson wrote:
JamesGifford wrote:
I don't believe there are any fen present, Tina being the only exception and a special one at that. So yes, it is "present company excepted" because we generally ain't them.

Well, I still consider myself a fan -- albeit an exceptionally crochety one.


Oh, Bill --you're exceptional in sooo many more ways than that.

Where's my Chesire Cat grin smiley when I want it?

Author:  beamjockey [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:40 pm ]
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JamesGifford wrote:
I don't believe there are any fen present, Tina being the only exception and a special one at that. So yes, it is "present company excepted" because we generally ain't them.


I beg to differ. I, for one, am thoroughly drenched in the culture of SF fandom and fen are my people.

Author:  audrey [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:45 pm ]
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What's a fen?

Author:  JamesGifford [ Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:47 pm ]
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I sit corrected. Filk away, fein feathered fen.

Author:  PeterScott [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:27 am ]
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audrey wrote:
PeterScott wrote:
Quote:
group paranoia and psychotic infantilism -- and unwillingness to face up to adult problems and to cope with them


So how can we agree to that without labeling ourselves? Surely we cannot hide behind "present company excepted...."


Oh sure we can. Every group is characterized by some unique behavior or aspect that does not necessarily encompass all members of the group - although the old saw about 99% of lawyers giving the rest a bad name comes to mind. We have all met fans that fit Heinlein's description - and the description fits the category of fen better than any other group even though clearly many fen don't suffer from that affliction, such as present company. It's merely a dimension that they fit as a class better than any other, but we happen to be on the end of the bell curve more associated with "normal" people :-)

Author:  georule [ Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:08 pm ]
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audrey wrote:
What's a fen?


At the most basic level, "fen" is the plural form of "fan" in the sf world. Of course, that observation, while correct, hides a great deal more context than it illuminates.

Author:  BillPatterson [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 10:49 am ]
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audrey wrote:
What's a fen?

"Fen" is the (fannish) plural of "Fan"
and "Fanne," should the term come up, is short for "femmefan," a fan who is a woman.

Author:  JackKelly [ Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:27 am ]
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BillPatterson wrote:
audrey wrote:
What's a fen?

"Fen" is the (fannish) plural of "Fan"
and "Fanne," should the term come up, is short for "femmefan," a fan who is a woman.


I've never heard those terms, but I do believe I'm a fan.

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