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Author:  RobertPearson [ Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:32 am ]
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http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3434

"Brin’s error matters to me personally because, as much as I am anything else, I am one of Heinlein’s children. I have closely studied his works and his life, and that study has shaped me. What I have given to the world through my advocacy of open source is directly tied back to what the Old Man taught me about liberty, transparency, and moral courage. And I am never more Heinlein’s child than when I advocate for an armed (and polite) society."

Brin's piece is at http://torforge.wordpress.com/2010/07/1 ... avid-brin/

Author:  LilLeaguer [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:31 pm ]
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RobertPearson wrote:
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=3434
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Brin's piece is at http://torforge.wordpress.com/2010/07/1 ... avid-brin/


The ESR who is being quoted appears to be Eric Raymond. I add this because it took me 5 minutes of searching to figure that out; his web site may be unnavigable for mere mortals.

Author:  holmesiv [ Thu Aug 18, 2011 4:06 pm ]
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OK, what was Brin's error?

Author:  vranger [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 12:10 am ]
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"Alas, most of his novels reach a vigorous climax, concluding part one… and then peter out disappointingly in the last half, amid a morass of garrulous talk."

The above was the most incredible statement I found in the article. It sounds like it was written by someone who'd rather watch "Kill Bill" than "12 Angry Men". LOL

Author:  BillMullins [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:21 am ]
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holmesiv wrote:
OK, what was Brin's error?


The statement that "An armed society is a polite society" came from John W. Campbell, rather than Heinlein.

Author:  RobertPearson [ Fri Nov 04, 2011 11:43 am ]
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BillMullins wrote:
The statement that "An armed society is a polite society" came from John W. Campbell, rather than Heinlein.


And the background and substance of Heinlein's thought on the subject, as well. By calling it "this strange notion" that Campbell was "pushing," Brin is in error. Raymong cites Red Planet and the fight with The Dagleish over the armed "boys" in it to back up his point.

Reminds me that I need to get the long version of RP.

Author:  holmesiv [ Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:44 pm ]
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vranger wrote:
"Alas, most of his novels reach a vigorous climax, concluding part one… and then peter out disappointingly in the last half, amid a morass of garrulous talk."

The above was the most incredible statement I found in the article. It sounds like it was written by someone who'd rather watch "Kill Bill" than "12 Angry Men". LOL


I have noticed that a lot of Heinlein critics read one or two stories and generalize about all the others. It is true that some of the novels are extremely "talkie," but I consider RAH to be one heckuva action writer, myself. When he wanted to be.

Author:  VeraLenora [ Sun Mar 10, 2013 5:05 pm ]
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Most Heinlein novels reach a radical change in the middle, most often a test of some kind that our hero fails. In the rest of the novel solutions must be found, character must grow.

Author:  JackKelly [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:55 am ]
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One must admit, I think, that Heinlein frequently had trouble with endings; one notable exception being Stranger, and there are others. I have always thought that. One of the more disappointing endings was Double Star, though I've seen opinion that it was one of his strongest.

Author:  JamesGifford [ Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:19 pm ]
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JackKelly wrote:
One must admit, I think, that Heinlein frequently had trouble with endings; one notable exception being Stranger, and there are others. I have always thought that. One of the more disappointing endings was Double Star, though I've seen opinion that it was one of his strongest.

I'd agree with the last. Larry Smith is a pretty poor excuse for a human, in word, deed and legacy. In giving up his own past, becoming an un-person, in order to further something much bigger than he is (JJB's sprawling legacy and influence), he becomes a genuine, if anonymous, hero. Huge, moving, believable.

What other ending could there be? That he lets JJB die and his potential go unrealized, and slip back to being a third-rate ham actor?

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