Remembering Ginny Heinlein

On January 23, 2003, the Heinlein Readers Group Discussion Room was open to all who wished to share stories and remembrances about Virginia Heinlein. This was the second such gathering. The log for the first can be found on the Master Index page under the title "The Passing of Ginny Heinlein"

A complete obituary is given here:

From: David M. Silver <ag.plusone@verizon.net>

Subject: Re: RAH Reading Group meeting, tomorrow, 1/23/03

Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:07 PM

The following was written by Robert James (docjam00@aol.com) and transmitted to various news outlets.

It has already appeared in some and will appear in other newspapers. Feel free to pass it on to whatever paper that might cover the Butler, Mo., area, LN. They may contact me, as Secretary-Treasurer of The Heinlein Society for verification, if you wish. I'll provide you, by email, my telephone number which they will require (if you don't still have it). I have a high definition scanned [6 mg.] photo of her and Robert skating in 1952 at Snow Valley, California, during their tour of National Parks, if they can accept e-mail attachment of a .tif document. It's the same one that appears in Grumbles from the Grave.

Virginia Heinlein passed away peacefully in her sleep in the early morning of January 18, 2003. She was 86 years old. Mrs. Heinlein was the widow of famed science fiction writer, Robert A. Heinlein, author of Stranger In a Strange Land and 55 other books, who died in 1988. Her death followed a prolonged bout of respiratory illness, including pneumonia, as well as a broken hip sustained on Thanksgiving Day, 2002, requiring surgery and a long recovery. The couple had no children, but countless readers around the world refer to themselves as "Heinlein's Children."

Virginia Gerstenfeld Heinlein was born April 22, 1916, in Brooklyn, New York, the daughter of a dentist. She went to the Packer Collegiate Institute, a college preparatory high school, where she finished in three-and-a-half years, always on the honor roll. She attended New York University, majoring in chemistry. She lettered in swimming, diving, basketball, and field hockey. She also reached national competitive levels in figure skating, the sport that became her lifelong passion. In the late 1950s, she served on the U.S. Olympic Committee for Skating. In time, she came to speak over seven languages, including French, Latin, Italian, and Russian.

Graduating in 1937, she worked for Quality Bakers as a chemist until 1943, when the WAVES was formed. She enlisted immediately and was commissioned as a WAVE lieutenant, serving first at the Bureau of Aeronautics, then at the Naval Air Experimental Station in Philadelphia in 1944 and 1945. She met Robert Heinlein there, working as a civilian aviation engineer because the Navy would not overlook his medical discharge due to tuberculosis in 1934. She served as his assistant on several classified development projects as a chemist and aviation test engineer.

After World War II, she came to Los Angeles to study for an unfinished doctorate in biochemistry at UCLA. She married Robert Heinlein in Raton, New Mexico, in October 1948. Thereafter, the two were inseparable; those who knew them spoke often of their intense and abiding love for each other. She became his closest companion, aiding him in his writing, and traveling the world with him. Virginia shepherded Robert through two severe near-death illnesses in the seventies through constant care and love. She took over the business aspects of his writing career, freeing him to focus on his writing. Together, they made a special project of organizing local and national blood drives and facilitating cooperation among all the blood collecting organizations in the world.

Shortly after his death in 1988, she moved to Florida. She gathered a selection of her husband's letters in Grumbles from the Grave, printed for the first time his travel memoir Tramp Royale and political handbook Take Back Your Government (originally titled How to Be a Politician), and oversaw the restoration of several texts she felt had been badly edited, including Red Planet, Puppet Masters, and Stranger in a Strange Land.

Throughout her life, she loved reading, cooking, gardening, music, and politics. In recent years, declining eyesight and physical health curtailed some of her favorite activities, but she began and maintained an active presence on Internet venues devoted to study of her husband's works, pursuing this new hobby with much energy.

She endowed the Robert Anson Heinlein Chair in Aerospace Engineering, established on August 28, 2001, at Annapolis, by a gift of over $2.6 million, in honor of her late husband, a graduate of the Naval Academy's Class of 1929.

She also helped to found The Heinlein Society, an educational charity dedicated to paying forward to generations to come the many Heinlein legacies.

She also endowed the public library in Robert Heinlein's birthplace of Butler, Missouri.

Readers have often remarked on the strength, intelligence, and power of his female characters; his fictional women were often based on Virginia Heinlein. As science fiction writer Spider Robinson said, "several of Heinlein's women bear a striking resemblance to his wife Virginia." Many of Heinlein's books were dedicated to her. Virginia, or "Ginny" as she preferred to be called, was his sounding board and source of ideas; she originated the idea that became Stranger in a Strange Land. She was his first reader and trusted critic. Robert Heinlein once said she was "smarter, better, and more sensible than I am." In a 1961 letter, he said, "She is what I feel to be a good person in the word's simplest and plainest meaning. Which includes lashing out with her claws on some occasions when others may consider it improper. I don't give a damn whether Ginny is 'proper' or not; I like her. I like her values." At the end of one of his later books, Job: A Comedy of Justice, the final sentence has been read by many as Robert Heinlein s own tribute to his beloved wife: "Heaven is where Margrethe is."

There will be no funeral. Her ashes will be scattered at sea in the Pacific, as were her husband's. Mourners are asked to make blood donations in her memory, and may make charitable donations to The Heinlein Society at http://www.heinleinsociety.org, or P.O. Box 1254, Venice, California 90294-1254.

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DavidWrightSr: Just a little bit. Nobody's saying anything yet..

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OscagneTX: what's the official start time?

DavidWrightSr: 8:00 P.M. EST

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OscagneTX: *VROOM**VROOM**VROOM**VROOM**VROOM** VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*

AGplusone: er, 5 minutes etc. now

AGplusone: Hi, everyone.

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aggirlj: Just keep that clutch in, slip over to the brake, hold it let go real slow Osc.

BJ Maranta: Hey Howdy Hey, everybody!

aggirlj: Hi Brian.

BJ Maranta: Hi, Sis!

OscagneTX: howdy, B.

aggirlj: :-)

AGplusone: Here's to Virginia Heinlein. Tourjours, Ginny! [did I spell it right?]

BJ Maranta: Toujours, David

BJ Maranta: but Hear Hear!

AGplusone: good, glad someone can spell French

aggirlj: Close enough, Toujours, 'Lac Heim(not spelled right.)

AGplusone: but *click*

aggirlj: *click*

DavidWrightSr: *click*

BJ Maranta: *clink*

mkeith54: *clunk*

OscagneTX: *gulp* *smash*

aggirlj: David W I'm just about to read Elephants in Fantasies.

BJ Maranta: Tres bien fait, monsieur le Argent!

DavidWrightSr: Get plenty of handkerchiefs.

aggirlj: Okay, and hot chocolate.

AGplusone: I just read it. LA Times reporter, referred her to Jerry Pournelle. He said, Read Elephants. She came back to me, said, "Can you give me a one-line quote from it?" Awk!

BJ Maranta: LOL

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DenvToday: Greetings to one and all.

aggirlj: Hi there.

Musiquelle26: howdy

AGplusone: We do what we can, but I couldn't see how without about a fifty word or more prec�s I could do it and make any sense at all.

DenvToday: For some reason, my IE link isn't working.

OscagneTX: howdyhowdy

DenvToday: I keep expecting SAcademic to enter the room.

aggirlj: Hi Osc, you missed my driving lesson.

Musiquelle26: I know that feeling

OscagneTX: No, I saw it.

aggirlj: :-P

AGplusone: But I think she's going to write a nice obit for Ginny. The LA Times. maybe I'll get lucky and she won't quote me by name

OscagneTX: I didn't know what to reply. Nothing I thought of was either witty or crude enough. %^)

aggirlj: :-D

Musiquelle26: I read your post David on her

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Musiquelle26: it hit hard

OscagneTX: howdyhowdy

aggirlj: Quite extensive. What a life.

Doc4Kidz: Hello

AGplusone: Hi, Alan, Barry

aggirlj: Hi Alan & Barry.

AGplusone: I propose we tell Ginny stories to start ....

Doc4Kidz: hello, all

AGplusone: Has everyone read Spin-off?

aggirlj: Not sure???

DenvToday: Naturally, she isn't really gone. Mama Maureen came back to take her to Tertius. She's going through rejuvenation treatments even as we speak.

OscagneTX: i have

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pixelmeow: hi, all

BJ Maranta: Lol, denv

DenvToday: Hiya pixel

aggirlj: Hi Teresa.

Musiquelle26: I sneezed as the cat came in...

Musiquelle26: :-)

pixelmeow: :-P

pixelmeow: who is denv?

AGplusone: Spin-Off was Heinlein's testimony about the advances in medical science spinning off from aerospace research. He used himself as example.

DenvToday: Mrs. Heinlein

OscagneTX: Pix... are you the one that writes the pictures page?

pixelmeow: no, that's jump101

pixelmeow: steve.

OscagneTX: ah. thanks

pixelmeow: denvtoday, who are you, may I ask?

pixelmeow: I don't know that handle.

AGplusone: They were vacationing. at the top of some vocanic mountain on the island, maybe Tahati, I forget, led to by a cable car, he had that almost stroke, caused by the blocked artery to his brain. Paralysed.

DenvToday: My name is Ron. Nice to meet you. I've been coming on and off for a couple years now.

pixelmeow: Okay, thanks!

Musiquelle26: did I see that someone had posted the list of Screen names and names on their site?

pixelmeow: http://pixelmeow.com

pixelmeow: ;-)

OscagneTX: *straps denv into the comfy chair* "VE HAF VAYS UF MAKINK YOU TAWLK."

DenvToday: lol

DenvToday: "Is it safe?"

BJ Maranta: Jawhol!

AGplusone: Car wasn't due back for a time ... so Ginny hoisted him up on her back, and carried him down the mountain to the beach to get him to a doctor.

BJ Maranta: :-)

OscagneTX: Wow.

aggirlj: Amazing.

Doc4Kidz: "can't tell the players without a scorecard"

OscagneTX: stout lady.

mkeith54: my kind of lady

aggirlj: Petite as far as I can tell, but when that blood is rushing.

OscagneTX: "stout" encompasses more than body...

aggirlj: Thank you.

BJ Maranta: You said it, Osc

aggirlj: ;-)

DenvToday: Adrenalin is a powerful thing. I read once of a grandma who lifted a car off of her grandsom when the jack slipped. Supposedly true story.

Doc4Kidz: I'm not on the list.

AGplusone: Could someone please send "Sarah Hoyt" an invite. Mine's not working

Musiquelle26: I've seen that tale documented a few times

Doc4Kidz: hmmph

AGplusone: I'll let Dave Wright know.

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OscagneTX: someone needs to Snopes that, because as I heard it, it was a 20 y.o. 5' 0" 95 lb. mom and her baby.

aggirlj: Hi Sarah.

pixelmeow: hi!

Sarah Hoyt: hi.

Sarah Hoyt: I got twelve, I think.

Musiquelle26: hey Sarah

DenvToday: I suppose it could be an urban myth

Sarah Hoyt: I mean twelve invites. THanks guys.

AGplusone: Okay, I told my Ginny story ... anyone else.

mkeith54: just want to make sure you feel welcome

OscagneTX: I wish I _had_ a Ginny story.

Sarah Hoyt: I do. I do.

Doc4Kidz: I do too

AGplusone: Imagine, in your forties, early fifties, carrying you husband down the hill of a vocano

aggirlj: ga

pixelmeow: only story I have is the fact that I was honored to have met her online.

OscagneTX: ga, Sarah.

AGplusone: /ga Sarah

Doc4Kidz: Ladies first, Sarah

Sarah Hoyt: I didn't mean I had a story. Although I do, but ... later.

Sarah Hoyt: I meant I felt welcome.

Sarah Hoyt: Typed out of sync.

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BJ Maranta: Hey, Dan

DenvToday: I'm re-reading Tramp Royale. I didn't know Mrs. Heinlein wel, just from the reading group, but TR made me feel that somewhow I did.

aggirlj: Hi Dan.

SubCrid Death: Hola

pixelmeow: hey you!

AGplusone: Tell 'em about telling Ginny the name of your son, please ...

pixelmeow: I have *got* to get that book.

Musiquelle26: hey there

Sarah Hoyt: I just started reading Tramp Royale, too. And bought it for a friend.

OscagneTX: pix, want to borrow?

pixelmeow: sure!

Sarah Hoyt: I send Mrs. Heinlein an announcement of my oldest son's birth.

pixelmeow: k

SubCrid Death: (I actually was unsure I should be here, though I knew about it. I didn't really know Ginny, since I'd started after she had her accident that took her mostly offline.)

Sarah Hoyt: Because my husband and best friend made me.

OscagneTX: oscagne@ev1.net for you snail addy. I'll send it.

Sarah Hoyt: Robert is named Robert Anson.

Musiquelle26: it was the last new Heinlein I read before exiting the Army...made me want to travel

pixelmeow: *applause*

BJ Maranta: :-)

Sarah Hoyt: He's now 11, and was born on 7/7/91

pixelmeow: wow!

BJ Maranta: wow!

Musiquelle26: whoo hoo

DavidWrightSr: That's neat

aggirlj: Yeah.

Doc4Kidz: I tried, but my wife doesn't like the name "Robert"

OscagneTX: that's so cool

Musiquelle26: I share your son's birthday then, Sarah

Sarah Hoyt: Mrs. Heinlein sent him a teddy bear and was kind enough to want to keep track of his progress.

pixelmeow: awesome!

AGplusone: 7/7/07 is birthdate of Robert Anson Heinlein

DavidWrightSr: You were born in 1991?

Sarah Hoyt: I didn't give my husband a choice as to the name.

Doc4Kidz: 7/7, though. That's cool

Musiquelle26: since I met Ginny online, a few years back, she sent me a e-note every year on it

Sarah Hoyt: I told him our first son would be Robert Anson and that was it.

BJ Maranta: LOL

Musiquelle26: (DavidSr, you're a kidder)

AGplusone: And Ginny said back?

Sarah Hoyt: Of course, he was due the fourth of July, but waited till just after midnight on the seventh.

Doc4Kidz: Is dad's name Hamilton Felix?

BJ Maranta: It musta been hard, keeping your legs crossed for three days... (GDR)

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pixelmeow: hey bryan!

aggirlj: Hi Bryan.

DenvToday: pixel, I just bookmarked your site. I'll explore it a bit later. Thanks!

BRSTAHL: Hello!

aggirlj: Brian!!

BJ Maranta: Howdy, Bryan

pixelmeow: no prob, and do please send suggestions and corrections.

OscagneTX: howdy

DenvToday: I sure will.

pixelmeow: I found that my link to the reading group site is not right.

Sarah Hoyt: She said she would like to keep track of his progress and that she thought Robert would be pleased. She also sent him a white teddy bear that this bit gallut (Robert is 5'8" and 180 lbs mostly muscle) still sleeps with.

Sarah Hoyt: After that we corresponded fairly regularly, lately on email.

BJ Maranta: :-)

aggirlj: brb

Sarah Hoyt: She found the announcement of my first book sale in Locus and sent me a letter with very useful business advice.

Sarah Hoyt: And she was nice and kind and fun to talk to. And that's my Mrs. Heinlein story. I managed to call her Ginny on AIM, because she requested it, but in my mind she's always Mrs. Heinlein.

pixelmeow: Ooo.

Doc4Kidz: I couldn;t call her "Ginny" either

pixelmeow: I spoke to Ginny in IM,

pixelmeow: and very nervously asked if I could call her Ginny...

pixelmeow: she said something like "of course, dear"

Doc4Kidz: So she called me "doctor" to get back at me ;-)

pixelmeow: got all warm and fuzzy!

Sarah Hoyt: :-D

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Sarah Hoyt: I lived in fear I would do something she didn't approve of.

Musiquelle26: I was told that she preferred it, by others, so did so rather than offend

Doc4Kidz: I blamed it on reading Robert's books, of course

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pixelmeow: Me too, saray

BJ Maranta: Howdy, dee

pixelmeow: sarah, even

Musiquelle26: Hey there

DenvToday: It's remarkable that any person would gain computer skills at her stage of life. It's rare. Once people hit the magic age of 70 or so, they're resistant.

pixelmeow: hey dee

Sarah Hoyt: Not that I thought she would be upset, but because I held her opinion in so much importance.

DavidWrightSr: She insisted that I called her Ginny and then I timidly asked if I might refer to Robert as Robert and she said, "of course, that was his name"

Sarah Hoyt: Hi.

Sarah Hoyt: I always called him Mr. Heinlein.

pixelmeow: yep.

pixelmeow: I was so intimidated.

jilyd: Hi, Pix, everyone. Thanks for the invite.

Sarah Hoyt: Because we got into these "my Robert" things on AIM.

Doc4Kidz: can I tell my story?

pixelmeow: do!

BJ Maranta: Go, doc

Sarah Hoyt: Please.

Musiquelle26: Actually, I have seen a lot of seniors turn into geeks as they learned how it could enhance their social lives

AGplusone: Yeah, yeah, go Doc

Musiquelle26: <---all ears

DavidWrightSr: I was flabbergasted the night that David AG first told me that he had been online with a very nice lady in Florida. It took me a couple of minutes to figure it out.

DenvToday: Musique, I'm glad to hear that!

Doc4Kidz: well, if you've ready the newsletter, there's a pic of us that my wife took Sept. 8th, 2001

aggirlj: I'm back, hi Dee.

Sarah Hoyt: My newsletter arrives mangled. I usually get only one page.

Musiquelle26: (Call me Steph, shorter)

Sarah Hoyt: Truly weird.

Doc4Kidz: We were staying at my mom's St Augustine place and we had just done the 1st blood drive in Philly

AGplusone: http://www.heinleinsociety.org/news04.html has the photo.

Doc4Kidz: and she invited me and my family, no less, to join her for lunch...

AGplusone: We're using a heavier paper next issue. Postal Service definitely folds, spindles and mutilates

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Doc4Kidz: I've been less nervous going into surgery (mine AND others')...

sdavido: Hello.

aggirlj: Hi there.

pixelmeow: hi!

DenvToday: I have a minor story.

Doc4Kidz: my kids were 2,4,6 and 8 then

OscagneTX: howdy

aggirlj: Doc :-) nice memory.

AGplusone: Welcome, Solomon, is it? I'm David

Doc4Kidz: and they misbehaved throughout the meal, as Bill can attest to

DenvToday: Yes, very nice :-)

sdavido: Yeah. Solomon Davidoff. Hello David.

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pixelmeow: hi!

Sarah Hoyt: I understand that. My jewish friends accuse me of being too roman -- they say I deyfied the Heinleins. I don't think so. I think it's a matter of having been raised in Heinlein's books.

AGplusone: (but not your father .... :-))

Sarah Hoyt: In a way they were my parents.

Doc4Kidz: but Ginny was very understanding and made me feel a little better although I was completely mortified at their behavior

jilyd: Nice, Doc.

DenvToday: People forget that one of the three boys in his first books, Rocket Galileo, was Jewish.

Sarah Hoyt: (mind parents. I'm not insane.)

AGplusone: Time for another toast from someone? Water if you wish, juice, or that odder stuff.

Musiquelle26: I have not been faced with entertaining out of my home with the kids yet...

DenvToday: his first book, that is.

jilyd: Dencv, I disagree about age 70, too. You should meet my mom.

Musiquelle26: I dread it

pixelmeow: drinks all around

sdavido: I grew up on Heinlein's words as well . . . and Mrs. Heinlein gave me one of my first real professional compliments.

Sarah Hoyt: Bourbon okay?

pixelmeow: absolutely!

AGplusone: *to Ginny*

aggirlj: Hear, hear, *clink*.

Sarah Hoyt: Clink.

pixelmeow: *crash*

BJ Maranta: Semper Ginny

Musiquelle26: *clink*

BJ Maranta: clink

sdavido: Clink

BRSTAHL: clink

AGplusone: tell us, Solomon, please.

DenvToday: jilyd, I'm very pleased to be proved wrong! I based what I said on people I know. I'm thrilled it isn't generally so.

SubCrid Death: *clink, gulp, crash*

mkeith54: clink

jilyd:

OscagneTX: *clink*

DenvToday: clink!

Doc4Kidz: gulp

LadyS122: ***crash***

DavidWrightSr: Hoch!

aggirlj: brb, watching pasta.

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pixelmeow: hi!

sdavido: I wrote a piece, some of you may have seen it, for The Heinlein Journal, on the presentation of Communism in Starship Troopers.

Dehede011: Good evening

BRSTAHL: Hello

SubCrid Death: Watching pasta? Interesting show, Jane? :-)

BJ Maranta: Howdy, Ron

LadyS122: I matured to Heinlein's works... until then I was a fairly lost (but adept at faking it) teenager (19), then I met the most wonderful man, and he loaned me his Heinleins... Talk about epiphany.

Musiquelle26: I have a small story

pixelmeow: go

sdavido: Mrs. Heinlein wrote in a letter to say that I had captured Heinlein's beliefs correctly.

AGplusone: is it webposted anywhere Solomon? And what did she write?

BJ Maranta: Go, Steph

sdavido: I still remember proudly showing it to a local collegue, who said "So? What does she know?"

Musiquelle26: I was down on myself about how much I contributed to the writing with my Partner

jilyd: She started her working career in the days of a PBX with plugs, and a speker hung around her neck. Adding machin was not even a ten-key but 100 ket manual and pull down the crank. At 72, she still works full-time as an accountant

sdavido: I almost slapped him.

AGplusone: LOL, so what did HE know?

Sarah Hoyt: Yeah.

Musiquelle26: and she had recently dropped me a note in response to a question I had on a story

jilyd: Uning a computerized system ANd has a PC at home. Got her first PC before I did, in fact. Got a Ham radio ticket at 60.

sdavido: My piece was in HJ#2, I think, and her letter printed in #6 . . .

DenvToday: I will never forget the day I met Mrs. Heinlein online. I had been coming to the group on and off for a year or so. I will always remember the IM sent to me -- I think it was Dave AG, who told me that SAcademic was Mrs. Heinlein.

DavidWrightSr: No 3 Solomon

AGplusone: go on Steph, referring to Ebon, who passed on lately?

DavidWrightSr: #3

sdavido: THanks!

DenvToday: My jaw literally dropped.

Musiquelle26: Somehow her note, on an unrelated subject, had the effect of rejuvenating my faith in my writing, as it showed me how much she had helped Robert by being their to read the first editions, so to speak

Musiquelle26: Yes

BJ Maranta: :-), Steph

Musiquelle26: I was mostly an editor, or spring board for her creativity

aggirlj: :-)

DenvToday: Mus, that's wonderful.

sdavido: I regret not getting the opportunity to know her better.

Musiquelle26: No, she was wonderful

pixelmeow: As do I.

LadyS122: <-- Steph

jilyd: Wish I had met Ebontress.

AGplusone: Everyone always asked Ginny, who said she thought herself the same thing, to write her biography or about Robert. She always said, No, I couldn't do any more of that.

pixelmeow: I wanted to know her better, but I did not want to "crowd" her.

AGplusone: I wish she had!

Musiquelle26: Hopefully, people can...thru her writings

jilyd: Btw, Steph, loved the picture. Glad she was in it, too.

Musiquelle26: thanks

pixelmeow: yeah, I saw that today.

pixelmeow: Nice. :-)

pixelmeow: Finally have some faces in my mind.

Musiquelle26: It was taken a year after her cancer surgery

jilyd: Are any of her writings onthe web?

BJ Maranta: Still need a pic of you, Pixel!

Musiquelle26: no

pixelmeow: eh?

sdavido: May I ask how you all heard of her passing? Harry Turtledove told me.

OscagneTX: And the next time I hear you denigrating your cuteness, Steph, I'm going to hang you up by the thumbs and whip you with a small kitten. %^)\

Musiquelle26: I have to edit, and then either web-publish, or shop them around

jilyd: Commercially published?

aggirlj: Me too, saw the pix . .

AGplusone: The hardest thing in the world was/is/ever shall be to write about the person you love.

Musiquelle26: lol

DenvToday: pixel, every time I saw her online, I tried to keep myself from gushing. I succeeded most of the time.

pixelmeow: who do you think that is in "meet 2", 3, and 4???

BJ Maranta: hmmm

pixelmeow: Denv, I succeeded every time but two.

pixelmeow: I gushed on the newsgroup, IIRC

jilyd: Good to see your pix, too, Brian. Nice.

pixelmeow: and I gushed in email.

LadyS122: Steph is cute... how she manages to look like her father and still be cute, is beyond me, but she does it. :-)

AGplusone: But I wish Ginny had done it.

DenvToday: Difficult, wasn't it?

AGplusone: For Ginny.

Musiquelle26:

pixelmeow: it really was.

AGplusone: Because goodness she could talk forever about Robert.

Musiquelle26: Zo� got the better looks, but she looks like me, so I don't know how

pixelmeow: I think she heard so much from so many of us on how much we loved her...

pixelmeow: I didn't want to bother her...

Musiquelle26: Ginny was very forthcoming in helping us who never met him, know him

pixelmeow: or her to think I was some sort of weirdo.

jilyd: Lord, I wish I had saved our conversations. <>

BRSTAHL: A picture of Pixel last summer is at http://brstahl.home.sprynet.com/_images/P9070006%20(Small) .JPG

pixelmeow: I knew it!

Sarah Hoyt: I lived in fear she thought I was insane.

pixelmeow: Sarah, I did the same thing.

Sarah Hoyt: I wish I'd saved our last AIM conversation.

pixelmeow: Me too.

BJ Maranta: And a good pic, too, Bryan!

pixelmeow: I was helping her with her computer,

pixelmeow: and I don't know how much good it did,

pixelmeow: but she got back online,

jilyd: Pixel, we kept telling her, but I don't think whe ever quite grasped that we loved GINNY, not just Robert's widow.

pixelmeow: and was so sweet...

OscagneTX: pix looks slightly insane in that pic... %^)

AGplusone: It surprised the heck out of her. She thought, judging from what she heard critically, that no one even thought about her. Just plugging away in the condo, away in Florida, unable to travel.

pixelmeow: :-P Osc!

jilyd: she ever grasped.

DavidWrightSr: I tried to save all of ours, but I missed a few. I saw her online a lot of times and wanted to talk but felt that I didn't want to impose too much.

AGplusone: She was so pleased with the warm welcome she got from us.

pixelmeow: Me too, DaveSR.

pixelmeow: I'd see her online and wish her well...

pixelmeow: but didn't talk.

pixelmeow: :-(

pixelmeow: wish I had.

OscagneTX: me too

Sarah Hoyt: She told me to stop apologizing so much. :-) And she told me -- after a lengthy discussion ranging from the Illiad to kids, she said she thought Robert would be proud of me. I'll al

aggirlj: I had just pasted her on the Heinlein list I had.

jilyd: AG, you mentioned a lot of the things she did in her life. Did you know she was a serious photographer and that she painted?

Sarah Hoyt: ways remember that and hope it was true.

sdavido: That's always the way . . .

Musiquelle26: I imposed a few times...and was told it was no imposition

DavidWrightSr: I wanted to go over those conversations today, but got tied up in another project and haven't had the chance yet

Dehede011: Jilyd said, "Pixel, we kept telling her, but I don't think whe ever quite grasped that we loved GINNY, not just Robert's widow." that was so difficult to explain to her.

OscagneTX: The only real times I saw her was in here, and I was too noob to be confident enough to say anything. I just lurked.

AGplusone: I knew she took some beautiful photos of Robert. she told me about painting, and she regretted she couldn't do that any more.

DenvToday: Do you all remember the James Earl Jones character from "Field of Dreams"? He spent his life trying to avoid people telling him how much his writing changed their lives.

DavidWrightSr: She always said that it was no imposition. She did have to leave several times on Sunday morning to go to brunch.

DenvToday: I didn't want to be one of those annoying people.

OscagneTX: You know... I thin k she only addressed me directly one time. She wanted to know if "Oscagne, TX" was the town I lived in. :-)

AGplusone: My favorite photo is the one she took of Robert sitting, looking down and reading a book in his lap.

LadyS122: Denv - I know what you mean... it is always hard to tell how far is too far, when you know there are so many other people just like you out there who want to know that person.

Sarah Hoyt: Me too, I saw her on, but I didn't say anything most of the time.

AGplusone: She was very proud of that photo. they used it on book jackets, Glory Road, etc.

DenvToday: Yes, exactly, Lady.

AGplusone: Gifford used it on his RAH:A Readers Companion.

jilyd: I know. We talked a lot at 6:00 am, but I was always afraid I would be imposing on her.

DavidWrightSr: I did talk at length with her about getting a set of her photos and putting them into a photo gallery on the heinleinsociety.org website, but unfortunately, that was just after her pneumonia and she was still trying to get caught up

AGplusone: I used it, cropped as a portrait, on the old reading group website.

sdavido: I'll have to try and get that one for the Centennial Collection.

jilyd: AG knew her so much better than I, and he assured me that she would not allow herself to be imposed upon.

pixelmeow: Yes, dee.

DenvToday: He was a handsome devil as a young man.

BJ Maranta: Although I never had the chance to talk to Ginny on chats, I have a bit of a story...

AGplusone: We have it. Gifford sent it to Jane Davitt who passed it around to us.

Musiquelle26: go Brian

aggirlj: ga

BJ Maranta: Not really a Ginny story, but something I want to share

BRSTAHL: Tell it.

pixelmeow: go

BJ Maranta: We have a pair of peach-faced lovebirds

AGplusone: Ginny lost the only copies of the photo she had, somehow.

BJ Maranta: The first one we got was a common, Green, Peach-faced, and we named him Bobby

AGplusone: Perhaps a visitor left accidentally with it.

Sarah Hoyt: My Robert would like a blow-up of a Heinlein photo for his locker.

BJ Maranta: After a while, we got him a companion, a Yellow, Peach-faced love bird, who we named Ginny.

pixelmeow: awwwww

Musiquelle26: That's great

OscagneTX: %^)

Sarah Hoyt: That is sweet.

BJ Maranta: They got along fine. And then one day, "Bobby" laid an egg

DenvToday: Yeah, nice.

aggirlj: Nice.

pixelmeow: ROFL!

Musiquelle26: lol

BJ Maranta: And it hatched

sdavido: LOL!

DenvToday: oops

Sarah Hoyt: LOL.

LadyS122: hehehehe

BJ Maranta: So, Bobby became "Bobbie" and Ginny became "Djinnie"

sdavido: Laz figured that might happen . . ..

DenvToday: Maybe "he" was a cross-dresser

OscagneTX: hehe

aggirlj: Excellent.

BJ Maranta: You can see them at: http://www.magsi.com/Aviary/lovebirds.html

Sarah Hoyt: Crossbirder.

DenvToday: lol Sarah

Musiquelle26: Cross-plumer?

sdavido: Good pics.

pixelmeow: beautiful!

Dehede011: Good pics

Musiquelle26: beautiful

aggirlj: Really nice.

DenvToday: Brian, you should have named "him" Libby. Started out as a boy, later became a girl.

Musiquelle26: lol

BJ Maranta: They've had about 6 or 7 clutches so far

aggirlj: Dan....

LadyS122:

sdavido: *grin*

BJ Maranta: Yah, but we wanted to keep the phonetic, Ron

DenvToday: Good point. lol

Sarah Hoyt: Yes, they should have kept to the prophetic instead...

jilyd: My moother is due to get a new puppy as soon as it is weaned. She has been having trouble thinking of a name. Thought of Ginnie, because teh pup was born in Va., but wasn't sure she liked it. When she found out about our

jilyd: Ginnie's death, she decided to go ahead with it.

DenvToday: Have Mrs. Heinlein's papers and writings been archived?

DenvToday: I'm sure there's a treasure trove there.

Sarah Hoyt: According to the buzz on writers' nets, yes. For fifty years.

BJ Maranta: We even kept one of their babies. Because of the colouring, we are sure he's a boy, and we named him "Kip."

OscagneTX: When is she making her last trip to the Pacific?

DenvToday: Kip. Great name.

aggirlj: Cool.

Doc4Kidz: During my visit, Ginny asked me about my rockets and the conversation turned to Robert's role as expert commentator during the Apollo 11 flight...

Dehede011: Doc, that sounds interesting

Doc4Kidz: I told her I bought the CBS video copy of the coverage just to see if it had RObert's parts...

Doc4Kidz: It doesn't...

jilyd: Dman.

Doc4Kidz: she HAS that part

Doc4Kidz: told me I;d have to come back again to view it

Doc4Kidz: damm!

aggirlj: Double.

DenvToday: If somebody finds that tape and makes copies, I'd sure buy one.

Doc4Kidz: CBS gave it to her with the promise that she'd keep it and not distribute it

DenvToday: Durn

Doc4Kidz: I would ask Bill, wouldn't you think so?

Sarah Hoyt: We never took the kids down, though she mentioned in the last letter she'd like to meet our Robert. I was hoping he'd grow out of his terrible phase... Now I'm sorry I didn't take him. :-(

Doc4Kidz: he may know something about it

Musiquelle26: aggravating capitalism

Sarah Hoyt: I think you can distribute it without charging.

Sarah Hoyt: I think.

aggirlj: That may have run out if it wasn't in perptuity.

aggirlj: perpetuity(?)

DenvToday: pituitary...um...ah, forget it.

AGplusone: Er, Doc, we have that part. It came in to me over the transom.

aggirlj: Where's a lawyere when you need one.

sdavido: Sadly I'm going to have to run. Thank you all.

Doc4Kidz: ?

AGplusone: I played it for everyone at ConJose.

Musiquelle26: good eve, sdavido

DenvToday: Bye for now, sd

Sarah Hoyt: Nice "talking"

Doc4Kidz: you DID?

BJ Maranta: G'nite, Solomon

aggirlj: By sdavido.

Dehede011: How is Roberts part, Dave AG

jilyd: Bye, sd.

OscagneTX: bye.

Dehede011: bye

mkeith54: bye

AGplusone: Yeah, Sundance. We robbed the train. Cut your throat. And come to TorCon and see it again.

AGplusone: VEry nice.

BJ Maranta: TorCon? Toronto?

AGplusone: yep

Musiquelle26: sniff, wish could go to TorCon

BJ Maranta: When

sdavido has left the room.

Doc4Kidz: hmmm, I'd sure like to see that (hint, hint)

SageMerlin: Why can't you go to Toronto

Sarah Hoyt: Me too, but money still limited this year, so no extraneous cons unless they're paying my way (one is.) and still figuring out how to pay for worldcon.

Musiquelle26: I am no longer working...one income does not stretch as far as two did

Doc4Kidz: I remember stopping off on the way to "Landings" and picking up flowers. I felt like a teen on his first date. Just as nervous.

BJ Maranta: When is TorCon?

AGplusone: Toronto

BJ Maranta: Is there a web site with details

aggirlj: On one of the threads.

AGplusone: Labor Day weekend, first Monday in September

AGplusone: and preceeding thurs, fri, sat, and sun

Musiquelle26: be lucky just to get Kev to his Heroes Con in Charlotte this year

AGplusone: Gets rolling on Saturday, but ....

Sarah Hoyt: Charlotte. Most of our furniture is still there...

AGplusone: Friday is a good day too

Sarah Hoyt: Ten years.

BJ Maranta: Crap! Toronto is within spittin' distance of my place, but I think I have a previous commitment that weekend...

AGplusone: Well, there's Thursday, Friday, ....

Musiquelle26: Ouch, Sarah

RAHfan147 has entered the room.

Musiquelle26: hello hello

Sarah Hoyt: ... someday. If our friend hasn't cleaned her attic. :-)

AGplusone: Hi, Tian. Welcome

pixelmeow: hey tian

Sarah Hoyt: Hi.

BJ Maranta: Howdy, Tian

BRSTAHL: Hi

Dehede011: Hi

OscagneTX: howdy, tian.

DenvToday: Hello

LadyS122: hi Tian.

RAHfan147: Hello.

Musiquelle26: toast time?

jilyd: Hi, Tian!

pixelmeow: go

Sarah Hoyt: Toast, toast, toast.

RAHfan147: I wasn't expecting to visit.

SubCrid Death: *plugs in toaster oven* Oh, not that kind of toast. Nevermind...

OscagneTX: let's have Tian give the toast.

Musiquelle26: to our Virtual Mother, the woman who kept Robert going

Sarah Hoyt: Mine wiht cheese, please.

pixelmeow: slurp *crash*

BJ Maranta: Hear Hear! *Clink*

DenvToday: Prosit!

RAHfan147: A toast!

BRSTAHL: Hear, hear!

jilyd:

aggirlj: hear, hear, *clink#.

Sarah Hoyt: Bite, drink.

DenvToday: clink!

OscagneTX: *clink*

Dehede011: hear hear

RAHfan147: Sip

Doc4Kidz: gulp

AGplusone: *click" nice white wine

mkeith54: prost, clink gulp crash

Sarah Hoyt: And a meow from Pixel next to me.

pixelmeow: *mreow*

DenvToday: hehe...

Dehede011: For Robert our respect, for Ginny our love

pixelmeow: ;-)

LadyS122: ***CRASH***

Sarah Hoyt: Yes.

RAHfan147: Amen.

Sarah Hoyt: Or our love for both.

SubCrid Death: *clink, gulp, crash*

OscagneTX: *crash*

jilyd:

pixelmeow: slurp *crash*

Musiquelle26: clink!

Sarah Hoyt: Drink.

aggirlj: *clink*

BRSTAHL: clink

pixelmeow: another pile of glass.

Doc4Kidz: clink, drink

mkeith54: clink

BJ Maranta: I'll get the broom...

jilyd: More sweeping tomorrow.

Dehede011: And you know something, I think Robert would like it just that way

LadyS122: Let Mike get it... :-)

pixelmeow: yep.

OscagneTX: Pix... just pop over to Dan Davis' place and get a Maid.

Musiquelle26: We'll use the glass shards to build a virtual wall against trolls

Doc4Kidz: MIne landed in the fireplace, didn;t yours?

pixelmeow: hey, yeah...

aggirlj: Steph, good one.

pixelmeow: Of course, that's where I threw it.

jilyd: Yeah, doc, but eventually the firplace gets full.

RAHfan147: Me to.

Sarah Hoyt: You know, I used to have these strange dreams when I went walking with him and just talked. I hope she's there next time... Okay. I know it doesn't make any sense.

SubCrid Death: Doc, that just means there's soot on the glass shards. ;-)

Sarah Hoyt: It's a quantum fireplace. Never full.

OscagneTX: makes plenty of sense.

DenvToday: I threw mine into the fire as well. Unfortunately, I was using the pewter tankard.

jilyd: Systemis, bar wenches sweep, bar goyles haul the glass out.

Doc4Kidz: it's in Gay's annex

Sarah Hoyt: YES!

aggirlj: Apprentice here and ready.

jilyd: It'll wait til morning, jane.

pixelmeow: allright, 'prentice, another round please!

Sarah Hoyt: BTW, if you name your car Gay Deceiver, it's not a good idea to put a sticker with the name on it. I did. My first car. :-[

OscagneTX: Hell... just ask the Writer to have it vanish quietly away.

aggirlj: Okeedokee, gotta' get some ice.

jilyd: Irish, here.

pixelmeow: My first personalized plate was "dorable".

Musiquelle26: oopsie

jilyd: LOL, sara.

Sarah Hoyt: That was my second car.

aggirlj: With or without whipped cream.

pixelmeow: Everyone thought I was talking about my daughter.

Sarah Hoyt: :-)

BJ Maranta: :-) Pix

DenvToday: Sarah, protests from the gay community?

mkeith54: Or even naming a computer that, where others can see

pixelmeow: So now it's "pxl cat"

Sarah Hoyt: Weird questions in parking lots.

DenvToday: I can imagine.

Sarah Hoyt: And Pixel thanks you.

Musiquelle26: Zo�'s middle name is Isadora...call her Is Adorable alot

Sarah Hoyt: Pixel is 14, orange and massive.

pixelmeow: with my college thingy in between.

pixelmeow: it's a VCU plate, my alma mater.

Sarah Hoyt: His brother Randy died in November, but DT is doing quite well, and still adorable.

SubCrid Death: "college thingy"? Here's me. Here's the 10 meter pole. Here's me not using the pole to touch that. ;P

AGplusone: Well, mine is named "Bob" ... and guess what that is meant to suggest.

Musiquelle26: My current orange cat is Memphis Jones

pixelmeow: um...

aggirlj: Good Dan, smart.

AGplusone: He's black and Master of All He Surveys.

Musiquelle26: I try to put an Egyptian city in all their names, and Pixel didn't ring well with any of them

Sarah Hoyt: I thought of college thingy the same way, too. :-)

Doc4Kidz: no pets, but four kids that do a fair imitation of wild animals

Sarah Hoyt: Black cat is Euclid.

DenvToday: lol Doc

LadyS122: Steph's brother is Robert, and we have a Pixel cat. :-)

BJ Maranta: Lol, Barry

AGplusone: Although I told Ginny it was "sheer coincidence" ....

AGplusone: heh, she said.

Musiquelle26: Black and white, named by kids, is Burlioz

Sarah Hoyt: Mistress of all she surveys is the youngest. Miranda.

Sarah Hoyt: Bet you did. I got it, though.

OscagneTX: I just sent three more cat pics to the pic page.

Musiquelle26: Mine are camera shy

BJ Maranta: Steve's gonna be busy

Sarah Hoyt: We take pictures and then we lose them.

Musiquelle26: dogs aren't, though

jilyd: I named my male cat Loki--redheadded troublemaker.

AGplusone: Had to stick mine up in a tree so you wouldn't see the mess in the background, books on floor, etc., in the house.

Sarah Hoyt: I grew up in a house with a lot of cats. Thought I was a cat till I was six. Pixel is sitting on my sofa arm, chatting with me.

Sarah Hoyt: Books on floor isn't mess. It's living.

Sarah Hoyt: Pile to read, pile just read, pile...

RAHfan147: I'm allergic to cats. I found out when my sister got me one for my birthday one year.

OscagneTX: cats have fun in mess.

Doc4Kidz: my journal piles are like that.

Musiquelle26: two kids, one man...don't even bother trying to do more than keep the floor walkable

BJ Maranta: Hang on a sec, gotta step afk for a bit...

Dehede011: One of the last conversations with Ginny was about the difference between cats as pets and cats as working members of a farm

Sarah Hoyt: Oh, yeah Steph.

Sarah Hoyt: Every week I clean. Stays clean for an hour. I swear. Early and often.

LadyS122: Steph <--- so very true...

AGplusone: Ginny sent me a whole slew of photos of Bonny Doon, all really poorly framed, taken by some housesitters while she and Robert were off going around the world again ... but

mkeith54: Tian, so am I, however I have a HUsky that is at least 90% cat in his actions and mannerisims

Doc4Kidz: <---imagining cats herding cattle.

Sarah Hoyt: Well, my grandmother treated her cats somewhere between pets and working members.

Doc4Kidz: must have some other meaning

DenvToday: Sarah, why clean at all? It's like eating -- you just get hungry again.

RAHfan147: One of the guys I went to school with told stories about turning on his tractor and killing farm cats with the fan.

TreetopAngelRN2 has entered the room.

AGplusone: several of the photos were of a large orange cat. Said to self: PIXEL! Ginny came back

Dehede011: Yes, Sarah and it is really different isn't it

aggirlj: Hi Elizabeth.

TreetopAngelRN2: Hi Everyone!

AGplusone: said no, Plushbottom Taffrail or some such.

LadyS122: Hi Elizabeth.

Musiquelle26: I acquired a wolf/husky/chow by gifting just after I lost my long time canine friend

DenvToday: Hello!

Musiquelle26: he thinks he can clean like a cat

OscagneTX: howdy T&A.

BRSTAHL: What was the phrase from Friday, "rodent control engineers"?

jilyd: Like Joan Rivers said about hating hosework--make the beds, wash the dishes, and 5 months later it's all to do over agian.

aggirlj: That must be a pix.

AGplusone: Large really nasty looking tom.

RAHfan147: Hello TTA!

DenvToday: lol I like that!

Sarah Hoyt: They say there's a breed -- I think it's siberian something -- that actually has the endorsement of the asthma association. People hwo are alergic to cats tollerate these.

mkeith54: HI

BRSTAHL: Hello

TreetopAngelRN2: Lookit all these lovely people!

Dehede011: On a farm a cat is a working member of the team

SubCrid Death: Feline-less right now, but should I find the ability to faithfully/effectively serve a feline, I'm thinking "Catherine" as a name if female, as in the tsarina. Not Cathy, not Cate, and definitely not Cat. No idea about male...

OscagneTX: Sarah, the hairless kind?

SubCrid Death: ... names, off the top of my head.

DenvToday: I've been searching for a Jellicle cat, sadly to no avail.

mkeith54: Sarah , a cat siberan that is a house cat?

RAHfan147 has left the room.

Musiquelle26: Abyssinian do not tend to trigger the allergy

pixelmeow: hey e!

TreetopAngelRN2: Been looking for a tiger, myself, Siberian that is!

SubCrid Death: Not a Heinlein connection AFAIK, but anyhow...

Dehede011: Question, at Bonny Doon did the cats get the run of the outdoors?

aggirlj: LOL

Musiquelle26: nor do Sphinx's, but they are a poor, unfortunate breed

Reilloc has entered the room.

Sarah Hoyt: No, hairless still cause allergy.

jilyd: I have read that a oonce a week bath removes nearly all of the dander allergy problem with cats.

pixelmeow: hey LN!

DenvToday: I wonder if the Heinleins ever saw "Cats" on broadway.

Musiquelle26: afk...time for kids beddybye

Reilloc: Hi, all.

Sarah Hoyt: These guys are actually long hair, but only one coat and there's some mutation in their saliva.

OscagneTX: howdy

pixelmeow: Night, Filly

aggirlj: later.

Dehede011: Howdy

BRSTAHL: Hello

DenvToday: Hello!

aggirlj: Hi

jilyd: Night, Steph.

BRSTAHL: Night

BJ Maranta: K, Back

OscagneTX: L Front

mkeith54: cat, bath... hum.. any skin left afterward?

Sarah Hoyt: I'll find it again eventually.

TreetopAngelRN2: LOL

BJ Maranta: LOL, Osc

Sarah Hoyt: We do have a cornish Rex.

mkeith54: on the human that is?

OscagneTX: comeon... that's hackneyed.

Sarah Hoyt: Dan fell in love with her and that was that, though paying for the cat is immoral, somehow.

LadyS122: some cats actually like baths.. just have to start em young...

Sarah Hoyt: She has tiny curly hair. Miranda.

Sarah Hoyt: And she's dad's princess.

BJ Maranta: But the fur sticks to your tounge...

aggirlj: Bought a Balinese that wasn't supposed to shed, right.

TreetopAngelRN2: Smudge hates snow...we just found that out!

Doc4Kidz: Well friends, I wanted to say my say since I missed the "wake". Goodnight.

aggirlj: Brian.

BJ Maranta: Nite, Barry

Dehede011: Nite, Doc

Sarah Hoyt: Goodnight.

DenvToday: Bye for now, Doc.

aggirlj: By Doc.

BJ Maranta: Old Steve Martin Joke, Sis

TreetopAngelRN2: Night doc!

OscagneTX: gnight

BRSTAHL: goodnight

aggirlj: :-)

Sarah Hoyt: You know, I was feeling all blue and out of sorts and couldn't figure out how to mourn.

Doc4Kidz has left the room.

Sarah Hoyt: I mean, when my grandmother died, I wrote a story, but now....

Sarah Hoyt: So, I bought a full set of juveniles and donated them to Robert's literacy class.

aggirlj: Perfect.

mkeith54: Bandit ,our husky, likes showers. My mother-in-law didn't get the door to the bathroom closed. Two years later I can still hear the screams.

BJ Maranta: Nice, Sarah

OscagneTX: nice

LadyS122: wonderful.

TreetopAngelRN2: Cool Sarah!

Sarah Hoyt: And I seem to feel better now.

jilyd: Neat, sarah.

DenvToday: Sarah, lovely thing to do.

mkeith54: Nice

Sarah Hoyt: It was just... I had to do something.

aggirlj: Yeah, that's what does it you feel so helpless.

OscagneTX: I couldnt' think what to post. No words came. What I finally put was so lame I can't even remember what it was.

DenvToday: I remember the day RAH passed away. Like yesterday.

pixelmeow has left the room.

Sarah Hoyt: Me too.

Sarah Hoyt: The day I moved to my first house. My erstwhile landlord drove up to tell me.

AGplusone: Hi, LN. that was a great letter you sent the Butler home town paper for Ginny.

Sarah Hoyt: I sat in that empty house and felt lost.

mkeith54: Yeah, I heard on the way to the base, wasn't worth a damn the rest of the day

AGplusone: What's the major paper in StLouis?

mkeith54: St louis post

TreetopAngelRN2: I read it in the newspaper after work, broke down in tears.

mkeith54: Post-dispatch that is

DenvToday: I called a talk radio show that day. Before the internet, before that sense of community. I started a discussion on the talk show.

aggirlj: Tell more.

AGplusone: They might be an appropriate object of a copy

DenvToday: The lines lit up. Many people called, shared what RAH meant to them.

TreetopAngelRN2: I was living in Lakewood CO at the time

DenvToday: Tree, no kidding? I'm in Denver. It was on KOA.

TreetopAngelRN2: I prolly heard parts of it!

Reilloc: I'll call the guy again about it tomorrow, Dave.

Sarah Hoyt: I'm in Manitou, Denv. Have we met? Con?

AGplusone: Thank you much.

pixelmeow has entered the room.

aggirlj: wb

DenvToday: Sarah, I don't think so. Oddly enough, I've never been to one.

BRSTAHL: I first saw the news on RAH in the Washingon Post, while in my initial State Dept. training.

Reilloc: Like I wrote you, it's not much of a newspaper.

pixelmeow: okay that was weird.

Sarah Hoyt: BTW, the organizer of MileHi has promissed to let us have a blood drive this year, so I should get on that.

OscagneTX: re

Sarah Hoyt: I haven't been able to make any of the meetings.

DenvToday: I plan to in the future. I've been having some back problems, but they're improving.

Sarah Hoyt: Great.

AGplusone: Got two nice calls from the LA Times today. they wanted photos and interviews with authors too. Gave them a list. Talked to Jerry Pournelle who was very gracious to them.

TreetopAngelRN2: Let us know a date Sarah, I love MileHi and plan on being down there this summer...making plans to terrorize Colo Springs with Jane!

LadyS122: I have to go... laundry to finish and then I have to get ready to meet some friends... Be Well everyone, and tell Steph good night from her dad and me.

Sarah Hoyt: I'm just having kid problems. They haven't grown up yet. Makes my whole schedule funky. :-)

pixelmeow: g'night!

BJ Maranta: Nite, Ladys

AGplusone: We will. best to Tony

aggirlj: By Bro!

OscagneTX: g'night

TreetopAngelRN2: Night Lady

BRSTAHL: Goodnight

jilyd: Goodnight.

LadyS122: will send it on.

Sarah Hoyt: I'll have my writing partner here from Atlanta. She's a society member, too, but she doesn't come to these things.

Sarah Hoyt: Goodnight.

LadyS122 has left the room.

BJ Maranta: I'm not leaving, Sys; I was saying g'nite to Ladys122

DenvToday: I'm a big Pournelle fan. RAH called The Mote in God's Eye the finest SF work he'd ever read. RAH was being modest.

aggirlj: Figured that.

aggirlj: Thanks.

Sarah Hoyt: My messages are coming in late.

BJ Maranta: :-)

pixelmeow: I keep saying I'm gonna read that, denv...

TreetopAngelRN2: Likes Pournelle and Niven

DenvToday: pixel, it's a must.

pixelmeow: I keep getting sidetracked...

BRSTAHL: RAH also was an unattributed editor on MOTE.

AGplusone: We're hoping to put together a collection of RAH's non-fiction on writing including if JP and LN will let us, the fabled letters on Mote

RAH wrote them.

DenvToday: The Gripping Hand is the sequel. Not as good as The Mote, but still worth reading.

SubCrid Death: Heh. I just finished reading the last of The Prince, DT. (Collection of Pournelle's Falkenberg's Legion stories, plus the ones he and S.M. Stirling co-wrote)

TreetopAngelRN2: I like that idea David, learned alot from Niven when he was at a con here.

Sarah Hoyt: I think I did. In Portuguese. Um... should try it in English.

AGplusone: Huge, detailed letter suggestion this and that. Over 80 pages total.

SubCrid Death: I'd read most of them in seperate books, but not as one complete set.

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pixelmeow: Hi, Bill!@

aggirlj: Hi Bill.

AGplusone: Evenin' Bill

BJ Maranta: Howdy Bill

BRSTAHL: Hello

jilyd: Hi, Bill.

TreetopAngelRN2: Hello Bill

DenvToday: Hello Bill

OscagneTX: howdy, bill.

BPRAL22169: Hello, all. Sorry to be late -- just got back.

Sarah Hoyt: hi.

Dehede011: Hi Bill

SubCrid Death: (And, speaking of TGH, I have a 1st Ed. copy of The Moat Around Murcheson's Eye, signed by both authors. :-) )

mkeith54: hiu bill

DenvToday: I had no idea that RAH was an editor on Mote. I must re-read it now, look for his touch.

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aggirlj: Hi Steve

pixelmeow: hi, both of you!

BJ Maranta: Howdy Steve

OscagneTX: howdy, yall.

TreetopAngelRN2: Hi Steve!

BPRAL22169: Oh, yes -- there's a 60+ page letter to Niven and Pournelle

AGplusone: he wasn't ... he just made a 'few suggestions' helpful ones

jilyd: And, of coourse, you can't miss teh tribute to Robert and Ginny in Footfall.

Sarah Hoyt: [Wildly off topic. Pixel pushed the laptop off the desk onto my husband's lap. So he's typing on his lap.]

jilyd: Oh, good, you made it, Steve.

pixelmeow: No I did *not*, Sarah.

AGplusone: Hi, Steve

TreetopAngelRN2: LOL

pixelmeow: ;-)

aggirlj: LOL

pixelmeow: (used to have a kitty by that name, also)

AGplusone: Labert! Wow! real ltnc

pixelmeow: Nice to see everyone tonight.

Sarah Hoyt: The cat, pixelmeow, the cat.

TreetopAngelRN2: there be gobs of us!

pixelmeow: ;-)

labert8: Hello all.

BPRAL22169: David, are we expecting Robert James?

pixelmeow: long time no see, indeed, labert.

pixelmeow: :-)

jilyd: Good to meet you, labert.

BPRAL22169: There are already gobs of us!

aggirlj: <-----Jane, and hi.

AGplusone: time for another toast ... when he signs on, has a date for dinner

pixelmeow: that's the silver man's sis.

Sarah Hoyt: David, isn't it about time for a toast?

AGplusone: who wants to be the toast maker

pixelmeow: jane, that is.

pixelmeow: yes

BPRAL22169: Ah, priorities!

labert8: Always glad to be amongst you, even on a sad note.

AGplusone: I think you've even got seniority, Labert. Go!

jilyd: To a Grand lady!

aggirlj: *clink*

BRSTAHL: Clink

OscagneTX: *crash*

Musiquelle26: I have returned for a moment

BJ Maranta: *clink*

mkeith54: clink*

Musiquelle26: clink

pixelmeow: gurgle *crash*

SubCrid Death: *clink, gulp, crash*

DenvToday: Yes! To a Grand Lady!

TreetopAngelRN2: *CRASH*

Dehede011: hear hear

DavidWrightSr: To Ginnie

pixelmeow: slurp *crash*

Sarah Hoyt: Clink

aggirlj: I'll go get more glasses and ice! Where's the broom?

jilyd: Wherever she is, may she now know she has our love.

BJ Maranta: Right here, sis

AGplusone: *sip slowly* enjoying bouquet with my usual flair .... gurgle, gurgle, gurgle, glub.

pixelmeow: Over in the corner, behind the swords.

Sarah Hoyt: Quaff.

aggirlj: 'kay.

Musiquelle26:

BJ Maranta: I'll go fetch another box of glasses...

aggirlj: Here, let me move the grate.

BPRAL22169: Someone needs to install a black hole in that fireplace -- save on cleanup.

DenvToday: She's on Tertius, I'm convinced. Jubal (just a name that RAH used every now and then to confuse the common folk> is waiting for her.

BJ Maranta: But the maintenance on a stable quantum singularity is just a total pain, Bill

Musiquelle26: had an interruption to bedtime...seems one of my girls acquired treasure that was not hers

Sarah Hoyt: YES! Tertius.

SubCrid Death: Perhaps borrow the quantum black hole from Niven's "The Borderlands of Sol", BP? :-)

mkeith54: a question if I may, Can any one tell me where Bulter MO is? I live in Missouri and I can't find it on a map

BPRAL22169: But you pair them up and let them take care of each other!

pixelmeow: I have to put Heather to bed...

Sarah Hoyt: That's where I want to go when I die.

AGplusone: LN?

pixelmeow: she's standing here waiting...

Reilloc: Present

BJ Maranta: Heather says g'nite to Heather, Pix!

AGplusone: How do you get to Butler

labert8: Kiss her for us, Pix

BRSTAHL: Say hello to Heather from me

AGplusone: Nice Heinlein memorial library there.

Musiquelle26: g'nite Heather!

Reilloc: Butler's south of Kansas City about 25 miles on US71

PrinceOfBaja: Hi folks - was out for a minute there, paying bills:-(

pixelmeow: she says "hi", and "who's Heather???"

TreetopAngelRN2: G'Night Hugs, for Heather

pixelmeow: ;-)

BPRAL22169: 25? I thought more like 60

AGplusone: KC a good object for that obit

pixelmeow: back in a few.

DenvToday: See you then :-)

Dehede011: There is a highway south of KC to Springfield. Follow that on the map

aggirlj: cbs

AGplusone: food thread next ....

mkeith54: Thanks, couldn't find on SA9 Have it now

AGplusone: then gun thread

TreetopAngelRN2: LOL

AGplusone: :-))))

BPRAL22169: You have to be very careful abut the county roads in Missouri -- they double up on the numbers; it's very confusing.

PrinceOfBaja has left the room.

labert8: You mean gun threads haven't faded away ??

TreetopAngelRN2: No way!

Musiquelle26: No Labert, they've not

AGplusone: well, hated to mention them ... but ....

mkeith54: tell me about our country road has two names and two numbers

Musiquelle26: btw, long time no see

OscagneTX: I haven't seen a gun thread in months.

AGplusone: we haven't had a spanking thread in a while

labert8: they've a life of their own AG, ignoring them doesn't help

BRSTAHL: They almost always show up as crossposts.

TreetopAngelRN2: Oh, kinky

aggirlj: :-D

jilyd: Yeah, but food never dies.

BJ Maranta: Yeah, but the stuff that grows off it in the back of the fridge... yuck

OscagneTX: I threatened Steph with a kitten-whipping... does that count?

TreetopAngelRN2: since food is essential for life...no wonder there is an interest in it!

DenvToday: A fridge is where you keep leftover until they grow fuzz.

Musiquelle26: I think that would fall under ultra kinky

AGplusone: We could always get back into polymorphic perversity ...

aggirlj: Oh gawd, get the dictionery.

OscagneTX: plushies!

AGplusone: and, yuck, incest

jilyd: For the ones who are such good housekeepers tehy chill their lfteovers before throwing them away?

Musiquelle26: My leftovers go outside to the neighborhood scavengers...about eight homeless cats

TreetopAngelRN2: I keep the leftovers until they don't resemble food

labert8: Speaking of incest, guess who's teaghing Time Enuf this semester?

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DenvToday: Mus, excellent!

Musiquelle26: oh?

labert8: teaching.

jilyd: Teaching where?

SubCrid Death: Hmm... is there any way to adjust the name colors in the chat output? The yellows are kinda hard to follow, for me.

labert8: an independant study course. Sophomore level, one student.

DenvToday: Sub, I don't think so.

aggirlj: You're getting yellows?

Musiquelle26: it's practical, Denv. we haul our garbage, and if I don't throw food away, it does not stink so bad, plus the cats don't get terribly thin

OscagneTX: I don't see any yellow... but don't encourage 'em. %^)

DenvToday: lol Mus. Practical is good!

AGplusone: Naw, you're stuck. AOL razzle dazzle. On IBMs. On Macs it's just blue and red. I'm read. Youse guys is all blue.

jilyd: And also, Steph, feeding them does not cut back on their mousing, just keeps tehm in a closer range.

SubCrid Death: labert8 and OscagoneTX are both showing up in yellow

BJ Maranta: Not on iChat, David

AGplusone: That's true.

SubCrid Death: (Oldish Windows AIM client)

OscagneTX: how about now?

mkeith54: get Trillian, easy to read

labert8: I have no idea if trhe yeloow is me or not. Haven't used aim since last here about a year ago.

AGplusone: Upgrade. Maybe they got rid of that nonsense.

SubCrid Death: Still shows yellow. Just the name and timestamp, though.

Musiquelle26: I'm trying to decide if I should start separating out the biodegradables myself to burn...my area has no recylcing place anymore except for metals

OscagneTX: hm. I changed my font color to black... but I was already seeing it in black. Don't know what else to do.

Sarah Hoyt has entered the room.

BJ Maranta: WB, Sarah

jilyd: Brian is yellow for me. I think AIM assigns the colors as they sign on, after you are signed on. ONly way to change it is sign off and back on, I htink.

OscagneTX: re

BRSTAHL: I get Brian in yellow, and different colors for everyone else

BJ Maranta: Hmmm... dat's weird

DenvToday: Mus, would it work for Mulch?

aggirlj: Gee David, we don't seem to have these probs, how come?

Sarah Hoyt: Sorry, I think the AIM hates me.

OscagneTX: everyone but me is blue, and I'm red on mine.

Sarah Hoyt: Everyone is really nice pastel colors.

jilyd: It's not the body of teh post, just teh screen name.

aggirlj: That's my color coes.

DenvToday: Sarah, hate it back. It doesn't help, but it's satisfying.

labert8: I see rainbows. . .

AGplusone: Well, AOL figures IBM windows users are impressed by color. [platfom wars!]

Sarah Hoyt: Kind of like seen through a cat's eyes.

Musiquelle26: that's a good idea...been thinking about getting a shredder or building a compost bin

Sarah Hoyt: Jane is green.

DenvToday: Compost, I guess. Not mulch.

labert8: but that's a personal problem

AGplusone: Back to Ginny. Need another Ginny story!

OscagneTX: BWA HA HA!

AGplusone: Now!

Musiquelle26: yes, we do

mkeith54: Mac users are used to just two colors

Sarah Hoyt: Yes.

DavidWrightSr: The colors of everyone else is randomly assigned, at least on AIM 4.10.

BJ Maranta: Easy, mketih

SubCrid Death: Text itself is black, baring specialized formatting, like E's use of purple (?) text.

BJ Maranta: or mkeith...

BJ Maranta: :-)

Sarah Hoyt: Ginny story.

mkeith54: it's Mike

jilyd: GInny and I were talking one morning, and I told her about the tiny little church choir I spend some time with.

Sarah Hoyt: Need one.

TreetopAngelRN2: Purple is E! She is a purple kind of person

BJ Maranta: K

AGplusone: We use blue for you good guys. Me, I'm red to me. Puts everything in proper perspective.

Musiquelle26: I always tried to make sure my text was black, bold, and larger font if Ginny was on

SubCrid Death: AIM 4.7.2 here

aggirlj: ga Dee

OscagneTX: How about someone tell a Ginny story?

jilyd: They don;t read music, and a lot of what they do is not in teh hymnal, learned by ear. It is a challenge trying to learn to accompany them. I mentioned that there was a lot new for me, but it is fun.

BRSTAHL: E! your text is purple, but your name is pink

AGplusone: lives purple prose life, eh, .... when the elk in Montana are smaller than buffalos?

labert8: Here's a Ginny brief . . . the first time I was chatting and it was revealed to me who X was (she was anonymous then). . .

Sarah Hoyt: I tried to make my text large but she told me she didn't need it THAT large.

AGplusone: /ga, labert

Sarah Hoyt: go.

TreetopAngelRN2: LOL

jilyd: Ginny said she thought I must find fun in everything I do. I think she was porjecting her own joie de vivre.

aggirlj: Yeah, good advice, 'swhat I try too.

Sarah Hoyt: Yep.

labert8: I don't think I managed another comment that night. Silly, as later chats showed her to be wonderfully generous in conversation, and fun to listento.

AGplusone: But she did find fun. In everything. Even talking about the little wax candies they used to sell in corner candy stores to kids.

OscagneTX: wax candies or candles?

TreetopAngelRN2: That's cause Ginny loved people

Sarah Hoyt: She was fun. And interesting. And amazingly well read.

Musiquelle26: Hey, I knew wax lips and the candy cola bottles made of wax...

aggirlj: candies.

AGplusone: How you bought one, sipped a little. Pressed the wax back togher and put it in your pocket ...

Musiquelle26: loved 'em

jilyd: That's what I mean, AG. She found fyun in everything.

AGplusone: yeah, them, Steph

BPRAL22169: That came up in a conversation of mine with her, too -- wax lips. I ran away from home when I was 4 to get some of those.

Musiquelle26: some small stores in the rural south never went away from them, apparently

labert8: I absolutely loved the story about the morning chats with the howework-less student.

Sarah Hoyt: :-) -- running away from home for wax lips.

aggirlj: They still make 'em.

jilyd: I remember those. Going to the Ben Franklin 5 & 10.

AGplusone: Joel Rosenberg'd daughter, "JudyJediJudy!"

labert8: Sounded so much like her to apologize and then continue while coaching on the impotance of school.

AGplusone: Great handle she used.

DenvToday: Oh my...blast from the past. The Ben Franklin five and dime. I spent half of my childhood there.

Musiquelle26: But then, I grew up in the summers at a tiny pitstop in Mississippi's history...sold rock candy and the oldfashioned candy sticks

Sarah Hoyt: Well it reminded me -- I got late to pick up Robert from swimming and I honestly didn't think, when he whined at me, I said, "I was talking on AIM with Mrs. Heinlein and I didn't want to tell her I had to go."

Sarah Hoyt: Total silence in the pool waiting room.

RMLWJ1 has entered the room.

Sarah Hoyt: Ended up a mini-Heinlein fan meeting.

Sarah Hoyt: Short Heinlein fans.

aggirlj: Wow.

BJ Maranta: LOL Sarah

AGplusone: Ginny used to talk about the books they had availble to kids when she grew up. She read all the boys ones.

Sarah Hoyt: No. Really.

RMLWJ1: Good evening.

DenvToday: Hello

Musiquelle26: evening

aggirlj: Hi.

BRSTAHL: Hello

BJ Maranta: 'evening rmlwj1

Sarah Hoyt: Hi.

TreetopAngelRN2: LOL, Sarah

OscagneTX: howdy

jilyd: Steph, I kept my large bold font as default, so I wouldn't forget for Ginny. Sometimes startled other friends, when I forgot to turn it down.

AGplusone: girl ones bored her.

labert8: The "girls' stories must've frustrated her endlessly.

RMLWJ1: Thanks for the invite, David.

aggirlj: Most of them were boring. Boy stories are more interesting.

Musiquelle26: I seem to remember her commenting on the Nancy Drew stuff once

AGplusone: Dave Wright's great guy

jilyd: Hi, alphabet. :-)

Sarah Hoyt: I think they had the same kind of stories when/where I girl stuff when I grew up.

AGplusone: Yes. Dont remember what she said.

AGplusone: Do you, Dee?

Sarah Hoyt: They were rather nauseating. So I read "Boy club adventures."

DavidWrightSr: Ah Gee. Blush!

jilyd: Don't remember seeing any comments about that, AG.

AGplusone: my impression was she sorta liked Nancy

TreetopAngelRN2: Read boy stories, too!

AGplusone: drove cars, had adventures, and all that

Musiquelle26: I seem to remember her commenting on them taking the boy formula and running with it

AGplusone: much better than most she felt

Musiquelle26: I played with GI Joe, so I had little use for girl stuff in anything

aggirlj: Well Nancy didn't play with dolls either.

Musiquelle26: was stunned to learn that A C Crispin was a woman.

Musiquelle26: I read a lot of her stuff before I knew that

labert8: Nancy didn't play by the 'social' rules. Not shy and demure. Had a touch of Poddy in her.

AGplusone: Reporter asked me today. Do you think she was an unusual woman, with a chemistry degree, and working in the late 30s .... talk about a leading question, LN!

jilyd: I would have loved to see Robert write some girls' stories in more recent times. He ouwld have set up some great role models, I'll bet.

TreetopAngelRN2: I agree

jilyd: Course, I would love to have Robert still writing, period!

TreetopAngelRN2: Girls who could think for themselves...

Musiquelle26: I think the heroine in Emergence by David Palmer was influenced by Poddy and Friday

OscagneTX: Thank you, Grundy Editor-lady. :-(

Sarah Hoyt: I'm sure Robert is still writing.

jilyd: I tired to get Ginny to didtate some of her memoirs. She said after Grumbles, she would never touch writing again.

Sarah Hoyt: It's just we can't get the stuff.

AGplusone: I actually liked Puddin' when she got revenge in the story that Jeane and Ed mentioned ... the one where the college girls pick on the foreign girl because she's different.

DenvToday: I've seen very odd reactions to RAH's female characters. They were smart, independent, as good or better than men in every way...yet still some saw him as sexist because the women didn't resent men.

AGplusone: Puddin' was a sweet bright young lady and by the time she got to college, very clever and vengeful when she saw a wrong.

SageMerlin: Okay, folks. I have to drop out to ...no I don't. Just thought of another way to do this.

AGplusone: Her knife was very sharp.

BJ Maranta: RAH coud've written girls storys under the pseudonym of Roberta Heinlein...

OscagneTX: The fem character I like (and can't remember name) is the young lady who liked to fly in Luna.

Sarah Hoyt: I have crazy pseudo feminist female acquaintances who insist Heinlein was sexist and never read any of hte books... which goes to prove...

QinJingYou has entered the room.

AGplusone: Holly

DenvToday: Sage, good to have seen you.

AGplusone: Hi, Dave.

pixelmeow: hey!

BJ Maranta: Howdy, Djinn

BRSTAHL: Hello

TreetopAngelRN2: I guess they haven't discovered the smart independent women don't have to resent men.

Musiquelle26: The Menace from Earht?

QinJingYou: HI everyone

jilyd: Not exactly because the don't resent men. Sometimes I get a little uncomfortable with the "bat teh baby blue at my hero and manage him by making him think it's his own idea" bit, myself.

aggirlj: Hi.

AGplusone: Nice to see you Alan. Get some rest.

OscagneTX: yeah, Holly.

aggirlj: Trying to get the right phrasing E, you manged to.

jilyd: Hi, djinn.

SageMerlin: Well, I have been working and reading along.

DenvToday: Yep, Tree. Very strange.

Sarah Hoyt: Bye ALan. Drop by anytime.

AGplusone: Yes, that one, Steph. Oz's favorite story. Imagine, "Flying!"

BJ Maranta: See ya, Alan

aggirlj: See you Alan.

AGplusone: used to have dreams about being able to do that

aggirlj: Thanks for mail workiing on stuff.

pixelmeow: I still have flying dreams, sometimes...

pixelmeow: it's wonderful...

Sarah Hoyt: Um... the day before my wedding my mom told me her secret for a happy marriage -- make him think it's his idea.

aggirlj: Haven't had one in a long time.

Sarah Hoyt: Works.

SageMerlin: I'm not leaving quite yet.

DenvToday: You mom was wise.

aggirlj: Oh good.

OscagneTX: The hell of it is... flying would be PLAUSIBLE. But we don't have anyting other than refuse on the moon.

labert8: You mean it wasn't my idea . . . ?

AGplusone: What's the other way of doing it then, Alan?

pixelmeow: :-) labert

Sarah Hoyt: ... Sorry, probably no.

SageMerlin: I logged onto AOL.com

Sarah Hoyt: Still works.

SageMerlin: My email server is down and i had to direct all my rate locks to my aol account

AGplusone: Ah, go to AIm, dump AOL, and I'll invite you back in.

SageMerlin: Don;t have to. IT worked.

AGplusone: good

TreetopAngelRN2: secret to a happy marriage...marry your best friend...

Sarah Hoyt: When I read the "if you tell a man he's seven feet tall" thing in Glory road, I was fourteen and I decided to experiment....

Sarah Hoyt: Well, that works, too.

BJ Maranta: That's what I did, E!

OscagneTX: hehe

Sarah Hoyt: I was an evil girl.

BJ Maranta: Lol, Sarah

AGplusone: secret to a sane marriage: marry your best friend ... if she aint', you're doomed.

SageMerlin: Sarah....now really. What would your mother say

jilyd: Yeah, sarah, but sometimes the line between bing loving and being manipulative doesn't seem so clear.

DenvToday: Sarah, you're a real "Star"

OscagneTX: Is that the only statistic you experimented with?

Sarah Hoyt: She thought it was amusing.

Sarah Hoyt: Um... and whose business would THAT be?

OscagneTX: hehe

Sarah Hoyt: :-[

pixelmeow: I married my best friend, too...

Sarah Hoyt: Me too.

Sarah Hoyt: Seventeen years now.

AGplusone: my 'friends' made it easy for me, "You mean you're marrying a Filipino girl, David? You can't do that! It'll hurt your career, and imagine wha your children will look like." dumb shits.

jilyd: I appreciated Maureen's always saying Thank you. Men never seem entirely sure that it is a gift to us, too.

pixelmeow: Yep.

AGplusone: Sorry .. squats

BJ Maranta: Lol, David

Sarah Hoyt: BUT -- okay -- don't tell him I said this, but he is, oh, shoot, name amenesia, D.T.'s dad. He NEEDS managing at times.

pixelmeow: jake

pixelmeow: ka-jake

pixelmeow: ;-)

labert8: jake-ass

pixelmeow: *love* that book.

Sarah Hoyt: He's not that bad. It's a mathematician thing.

Sarah Hoyt: The world MUST make sense.

Sarah Hoyt: Even when it doesn't.

pixelmeow: yep.

BJ Maranta: The

BJ Maranta: oops

TreetopAngelRN2: that's why I married a baker...

labert8: only sometimes. don't get me wrong, if I had to live in a book, number might be it.

pixelmeow: mememememe!!!!!

Sarah Hoyt: I picked up the thank you thing. ANother way to freak men out.

BJ Maranta: The "don't bother me with the fire alarm, I'm working on a formula" thing.

jilyd: If I were married to a baker, I would not be able to walk through the door.

RMLWJ1 has left the room.

pixelmeow: I can get that way with an algorithm...

Sarah Hoyt: It IS exactly like the fire alarm thing.

TreetopAngelRN2: he does have nice buns...

pixelmeow: who???

aggirlj: :-D

pixelmeow: your hubby?

BJ Maranta: OUCH, E!

Sarah Hoyt: The baker.

DenvToday: lol

jilyd: Her baker husband.

pixelmeow: then mine must be a baker too...

Sarah Hoyt: Mine three.

pixelmeow: ;-)

TreetopAngelRN2: LOL

aggirlj: lol

pixelmeow: awww, all the men are blushing...

BJ Maranta: E, that almost cost Carol a Keyboard

pixelmeow: *look*...

aggirlj: Yes,

TreetopAngelRN2: Yikes!

mkeith54: TTA you owe 1 keyboard, one monitor and a laptop

TreetopAngelRN2: all for a bun joke

jilyd: My father had a bakery, but his speciality was cake decorating. I still have his professional tips and nails, but I am no good at using them.

pixelmeow: 'prentice needs to take up some of this cleaning!!!

BJ Maranta: I used to work in a bakery

AGplusone: Ginny story, c'on. Someone tell one.

pixelmeow: go!

aggirlj: Righto, more drinks, how 'bout a toast.

Musiquelle26: go for it

jilyd: YYYYay.

DenvToday: Icing tastes better when you dip your finger in the bowl. It's okay on the cake...but finger dipping is better.

AGplusone: Ginny was once very embarrassed.

aggirlj: To a woman I only new by name but who I know was so loved here, to Ginny and Robert holding hands!

pixelmeow: gurgle *crash*

jilyd:

DenvToday: clink!

aggirlj: *clink*

OscagneTX: *crash*

Sarah Hoyt: Quaff -- the shirt is getting soaked.

BJ Maranta: Hear Hear, Jane; *Clink* *SMASH*

labert8: clink

BRSTAHL: clink

TreetopAngelRN2: *clink* *crash*

mkeith54: clik\nk

Musiquelle26: clink

AGplusone: Her eyes were really getting back last spring when she came back out of the hospital. Couldn't see that Snowy had fleas. Laura Haywood came by and took the cat immediaely to the vet. Ginny said, "I' couldn't see it." What do I do?

aggirlj: I'll go open the trough, move the gate, where's the broom.

pixelmeow: hey, who hid the broom???

Musiquelle26: I got the broom...I'm a witch by all accounts anyway

aggirlj: :-(

AGplusone: Introduced her to Advantage. She nearly kissed me after it worked.

pixelmeow: ah.

pixelmeow: I bet, David.

aggirlj: Yay!

AGplusone: She was so upset she could tell Snowy had them.

Sarah Hoyt: It works? In the south?

pixelmeow: fleas are a difficult thing to live with...

BJ Maranta: :-) David

Sarah Hoyt: Good work, David.

aggirlj: We thankfully don't have fleas at this altitude and cold.

AGplusone: Ginny said it did. Snowy was an inside cat. Never let him out. Best he could get to was garage.

jilyd: White animals attract more fleas than dark ones, too.

Sarah Hoyt: Oh, yeah. Very thankful.

Musiquelle26: I've never noticed that, D

TreetopAngelRN2: I'm glad you don't have fleas, too, Jane!

BPRAL22169: He wanted to be out -- but the neighbors complained at FL

Sarah Hoyt: Otherwise that plague around here would be epidemic, instead of endemic.

aggirlj: Woman!!!!!

pixelmeow: Really...

aggirlj: To E

TreetopAngelRN2: she said "we"

Sarah Hoyt: 's okay. We'll check when we meet her tomorrow. BEFORE she gets near our cats.

aggirlj: :-D

Musiquelle26: lol

TreetopAngelRN2: LOL

Sarah Hoyt: [Sarah ducks from slap with dead fish]

AGplusone: Front claws removed so he didn't destroy all the furniture and furnishings. You know those photo on Dennis' website of Snowy with the pillows on the couch. She embroided them all.

aggirlj: Wait.

pixelmeow: it always gets back to food, doesn't it...

AGplusone: Before her eyes when in the can.

aggirlj: Germans do know how to embroider.

aggirlj: Both sides are pefect.

OscagneTX: afk

BPRAL22169: Yes -- crewel work, I think, while Robert was in the hospital. They're all optical illusions.

Sarah Hoyt: They taught me to do that in school. Not German, though.

AGplusone: Women of our mother's generation know how to embroider. They just pretend they don't, like our mother, Jane.

Sarah Hoyt: I mean, both sides perfect.

aggirlj: Lots of Germans in Co. Sprgs. good friend showed me some of her stuff. Hmmmmm.

AGplusone: Lest they be put to work doing it.

BJ Maranta: LOL, David

pixelmeow: I'd like to see them, Bill...

Musiquelle26: I tried embroidery

Sarah Hoyt: Well, personaly, I grew up in the early twentieth century -- Portugal is a few years out of phase -- and I had grades in it. In school. Counted as much as math.

Musiquelle26: I'm not patient enough

TreetopAngelRN2: I tried embroidery, too...don't tell jokes very well

aggirlj: Neither am I, you should see my knitting. Fabulous designs but curling mightly.

Musiquelle26: lol

Musiquelle26: My one art was painting miniatures.

jilyd: What your mother's gen? I can embroider, crochet, knit, sew. I don't much, anymore, but I can. Confess I never could get tatting down. And I am NOT your mother's generation.

Sarah Hoyt: I am undercover, though. I haven't told anyone I can embroider. I do crochet. Very badly.

Musiquelle26: Now my hands shake badly when I try to do such fine detailing

BJ Maranta: That's something I really want to get back into, Steph

AGplusone: Do we know, Bill, who painted that painting of the Heinlein's home at the Santa Cruz library?

BJ Maranta: Haven't done it in a long time... too long

pixelmeow: well, all, I must get some sleep; think I may be getting sick...

TreetopAngelRN2: knitting, embroidery, crocheting...would rather put my eyes out!

BJ Maranta: Nite, Pix

DenvToday: Pixel, hope you feel better.

Musiquelle26: I learned the womanly arts (with threads) from a great-great aunt

Musiquelle26: nite

Sarah Hoyt: There's something going around. Go rest.

aggirlj: Nite Teresa.

pixelmeow: will we get together again like this saturday?

TreetopAngelRN2: Night Pix! Take care of yourself

jilyd: Night.

pixelmeow: thanks, all. :-)

mkeith54: nite pixel

BRSTAHL: Good night

aggirlj: Think it's is scheduled.

Dehede011: You know she also canned her own Quince Jelly

AGplusone: Heinlein's birthplace someone (my wife, who is omnicient) told me it was?

KimKinnison12 has entered the room.

pjscott100 has entered the room.

BJ Maranta: Here, or in the Lanai

Musiquelle26: the aunt was 82 when she passed in 88 or 89

aggirlj: Hellow there.

pjscott100: Hi all

aggirlj: Hellow

pixelmeow: well,I'll be in the lanai much of the time anyway,

AGplusone: Lensmen in the room. Stash the dope.

Reilloc has left the room.

AGplusone: 'Quick

pixelmeow: but just don't feel well.

aggirlj: Hello . . damn.

TreetopAngelRN2: My womanly art was learning how to make soap and cook.

KimKinnison12: sorry to be late..been struggling with computer problems all evenig..but I do want to pay my respects

DenvToday: Hello

pixelmeow has left the room.

Reilloc has entered the room.

KimKinnison12: (sniff..sniff) ok..who's got the thionite

Musiquelle26: An EE Doc Smith fan?

BJ Maranta: Folks, I have to head out also.

AGplusone: see you, Brian.

Sarah Hoyt: Robert is learning to cook. Also, getting interested in girls. Are those two linked in boys, also?

aggirlj: By Bro, right?

BJ Maranta: I may be back later, if not, then see ya around some other time

DenvToday: I'm sure we'll have a few more toasts, Kim.

Sarah Hoyt: By.

TreetopAngelRN2: Night Brian!

jilyd: One thing Ginny missed a lot while she was so down in health was not being able to do her own cooking. Illnes had affected her ability to taste, for one thing, but her helpers didn't cook the way she did.

BRSTAHL: Good night

AGplusone: come back when we talk about books, sometime

QinJingYou: bye Brian

DenvToday: Night Brian

mkeith54: bye

Musiquelle26: I moved to Fayettenam and got excited to find they had an E. E. Smith High School

Musiquelle26: nite Brian

KimKinnison12: sure Mus..isn't everybody? hehe

pjscott100: I regret I have to get going, but just wanted to pop in and say Hi. Miss y'all. I had such a good time in the Lanai the other night.

BJ Maranta: For sure, Monsieur Argent

AGplusone: She missed her beds of roses!

BJ Maranta has left the room.

AGplusone: And reading!

aggirlj: Come back soon too.

QinJingYou: See ya Peter!

Musiquelle26: turned out NC had a politician by that name, and it was not for the Doc

TreetopAngelRN2: Night Peter

jilyd: She missed painting, too.

pjscott100 has left the room.

KimKinnison12: heh..too bad

DavidWrightSr: Ginny told me that the thing she missed the most, living in California and Florida, was not being able to see the mountains.

jilyd: She painted in wotercolour, before her eyes gave out.

Dehede011: I hadn't realized she painted

Musiquelle26: Watercolours were what convinced me never to be an artist

Heinlein Readers Discussion Group And Friends Thursday 01-23-2003 8:00 P.M. EST Remembering Ginny Heinlein

Heinlein Readers Discussion Group
And Friends
Thursday 01-23-2003 8:00 P.M. EST
Remembering Ginny Heinlein