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AGplusone: ah, it works
AGplusone: I think
aggirlj: hey David
AGplusone: hi, Jane
aggirlj: I think Tim may be afk
IrishBet: has entered the chat room.
aggirlj: Hi Pam, we are small
AGplusone: Hi, Pam
IrishBet: Hi, guys . . . I'm just home from work
aggirlj: busy day?
AGplusone: I'm just awake. Took a nap and it just went by for a couple hours.
IrishBet: Janie, I'm working for a buncha nitwits. ;-)
aggirlj: Payroll time?
IrishBet: Done with that. We have a new Commish. I've survived them before -- but this guys is a piece of work.
AGplusone: Do you see this, Tim?
aggirlj: The only other person on line, that I can tell, is Geo and I don't know if he saw the notice
morganuci: For those who haven't heard, I lost network connectivity just as the chat was beginning. Another person was
IrishBet: My promotion stalled -- but I can live with that. I'm still getting the money
morganuci: on, but I don't see him now. I finally gave up on getting it back up, changed to another house, and finally I'm here.
IrishBet: I missed the notice. What's the topic?
aggirlj: Rocket Ship Galileo
aggirlj: That I haven't read recently
AGplusone: need to develop a habit of getting people to post on your notices ... post yourself when need be until someone replies
AGplusone: Where'd David Wright go. did he send out notices?
morganuci: Yes, I got it through him.
IrishBet: I'm developing a new Heinlein fan. I just gave him Tunnel in The Sky to share with his son.
aggirlj: I didn't get one, but then I haven't ever
IrishBet: And Citizen of the Galaxy
AGplusone: send him a reminder to send them to us, Jane
IrishBet: And he's reading TMiaHM
aggirlj: btw, Pam, have you seen Eragon
AGplusone: poor kid, he'll get a headache
IrishBet: I haven't seen the movie, Jane.
IrishBet: LoL, Dave -- DAD is reading TMiaHM
aggirlj: It's pretty good. I devoured those two and am waiting for #3
IrishBet: He did okay for a 15-yr-old.
aggirlj: Well, you remember by your recommendation . . . I've passed them on to a friend who also likes FFic
AGplusone: About the school those three in RSG went to, I wanted to go to it when I read it between 6th and 7th grade. Expected too much out of junior high after that.
morganuci: Can you refresh our memories about how the school's described, David?
AGplusone: In terms of very advanced labs, classes, subjects, mainly in engineering and engineering related topics.
IrishBet: I hesitated about using RSG to suck in this young man. The themes are great, but the story is a bit dated for young readers today.
AGplusone: In relationship to the rocket club they're in process of shutting down in the beginning of the book.
AGplusone: The whole nine-yards from the standpoint of teaching theory in the late 1940s. What was the name: Connant?
morganuci: The HS I went to didn't have any engineering courses. We had available 2 years each of bio, chem, physics, and one year of calc.
morganuci: I started an astronomy club, naturally-).
AGplusone: One year more of Calc than we had.
AGplusone: Astronomy Club. Nice to have Pasadena nearby.
AGplusone: Up here in the basin or down among the Orange Countites?
IrishBet: has left the chat room.
morganuci: I was in Chattanooga, TN back then. There is a small observatory there where we nerds hung out.
AGplusone: Ever read the book behind Rocket Boys?
morganuci: I read the book, and also "Back to the Moon". Really liked both.
IrishBet: has entered the chat room.
IrishBet: Here I am. I don't know what happened
AGplusone: wb, touch wrong button, did you, Pam?
morganuci: When did I read them? Rocket boys some time after the movie came out. BttM a couple of years ago.
aggirlj: You're back
IrishBet: Must hve, Dave
AGplusone: Anyone here beside you and me read Red Thunder?
georule1861: has entered the chat room.
aggirlj: Hey, Geo!
AGplusone: Hi, Geo
morganuci: Hi Geo.
georule1861: Yo. Wassup?
aggirlj: We need your expertise, discussing RSG
morganuci: We're up to the last chapter (or so) of Red Thunder. The 2nd half feels to me more like Have Space Suit
morganuci: Lots of talk about "If I were desiging suits, I would have such and such a feature", etc.
AGplusone: The last chapter involves the rescue, doesn't it? Need spacesuits for that.
morganuci: yes, we just got through the rescue, so there's 1 or maybe 2 chapters to go to wrap things up.
AGplusone: How's the uploading going on the archives, Geo?
georule1861: Well, the whole book is the 1st Juvie meets Have Space Suit.
morganuci: That's exactly what I
morganuci: 've been thinking
georule1861: It's going well, David. I've been trying to talk them into letting you in to play.
georule1861: We've had some "real" clients doing downloads.
AGplusone: see if an idiot can make it work ... good idea.
georule1861: Academic types that Art has approved.
georule1861: Trying to add more context now.
AGplusone: That's good. From where?
georule1861: Like Bill's manuscripts, which we've acquired.
georule1861: And links to CSUS.
georule1861: Santa Cruz, rather.
georule1861: Old Sac thing there, CSUS.
AGplusone: Great. "CSUS"? UCSC
georule1861: Yeah, them!
georule1861: CSUS is Cal State Uni Sacramento.
georule1861: Boggling over Bill's 2000 footnotes in book 1.
georule1861: More or less.
AGplusone: CSLA is the form I'm familar with.
AGplusone: I have his volume 1 in CD but never seen volume 2.
georule1861: I didn't go blind from the nekkid pictures of Ginny anyway.
georule1861: But we did ask Art --"Are you SURE?!"
AGplusone: Heh, really, how scrawny was she by then?
georule1861: Well, peeking between fingers, I'd say a handsome woman.-)
AGplusone: [Don't believe you a minutes, Geo.]
georule1861: Anyway, I just acquired Red Lightning. Haven't started on it yet.
georule1861: Will I like it as well as the original?
AGplusone: It's not as good as Thunder, but passable.
morganuci: Will Alex (13) like it? He loves Red Thunder, except for the sex scenes, which are innocent enough
AGplusone: Too much of a taste of fascist is the way we're going.
AGplusone: He might like that. Make him think.
IrishBet: Should I be reading Red Thunder?
AGplusone: Yes. One of the best quasi-Heinlein juveniles I've ever read.
AGplusone: Grown up juvies--they occasionally swear and have sex, just like real teens.
IrishBet: Excellent. I'll click through the ebsite and order a copy.
morganuci: I agree. It really has a Heinlein feel to it. As Geo said, it's RSG + Have Space Suit
AGplusone: Post High School
IrishBet: I'm trying to get into the habit of buying all my books through the website.
AGplusone: Much better job than Variable Star. If Varley actually helped R he shudda listened or accepted more help.
morganuci: Yeah, and maybe that makes it a little more realistic to today's reader (getting back to my topic posting).
georule1861: If you can't like as passable (by our standards) a Varley with a character named "Dak Broadbent" then. .. well, you're hopeless. So, yes, Pam.
IrishBet: I'll definitely check it out.
AGplusone: Funny how Spider killed Varley off in VS ... Herb is Varley's nickname.
georule1861: Oh, I've been killed in print by near and dear friends.
georule1861: It's a hobby for some of them.
AGplusone: But you're eminently killable, Geo. Ask anyone.
georule1861: Well, there is that.
aggirlj: Need to go eat. Enjoy your chat guys.
georule1861: Ta, JanE. Nice to see you, etc.
aggirlj: has left the chat room.
AGplusone: I think you'll like the characters in Thunder a lot better, Pam. True Heinlein ones.
AGplusone: Actually let them live in my neighborhood ...
AGplusone: even the girl who's a little nutso about substance abuse.
IrishBet: VS was such a letdown. I'd like better characters.
AGplusone: Varley's treatment is realistic without being burdensome on the soul.
georule1861: Varley didn't have Dagliesh, for sure.
IrishBet: Ahhhh . . . . but does ithave a magical, mystical stardrive?
AGplusone: I found them interesting characters as well.
georule1861: Oh, absolutely Pam.
georule1861: Invented by a crazed genius who's not too bright.
AGplusone: Yes, of a sort, but it at least employs real handwavium.
georule1861: Sweet, but not too bright.
AGplusone: savant, Geo ... savant
georule1861: I love that he made the girlfriend the program manager tho. True Heinleinian stroke there.
AGplusone: They just don't use the handwavium to get to the stars yet. The brown kryptonite hasn't aged enough yet.
IrishBet: Okay, guys . . . . are these teasers or spoilers?
georule1861: These are teasers, of course.
georule1861: Aren't you itching to read it yet?
AGplusone: Btw, I always thought it was green kryptomite ... don't remember brown, unless that was what Supe and Luther found in a cow pasture.
IrishBet: Actually, Geo . . . . I am. I'm just finishing Flynn's latest, and I need a "next one" in the wings.
IrishBet: I get antsy if I don't have something good waiting.
georule1861: Oh, hmm.
georule1861: I wonder if you could make a little bit of a case for savant guy (forgot the name) as VMS.
AGplusone: The girlfriend is the only one clever enough to be manager, I agree, Geo. Liked her. Varley can do a female character.
georule1861: Unworldly genius with powers no one else can fathom, who insists they are engineering.
georule1861: Not perfect fit of course.
AGplusone: He's an interesting study. Reason he's a savant Pam is he was seriously abused by a nutcase father, a religous fanatic who beat the hell out of him, literally.
AGplusone: ... with a two by four.
IrishBet: Did he beat him in the head?
AGplusone: All over and that too.
georule1861: David, you'd be proud of me. No gin tonight.
georule1861: Laphroaig 15.
AGplusone: I haven't started yet. I can't remember his name either and my copy has wandered away from the shelf it's usually on.
morganuci: Sorry, got distracted a minute. It's Jubal
AGplusone: That's right! How can I forget that.
georule1861: Ah, of course! Naughty geo!
georule1861: That's probably what suggested VMS to me in part as well!
georule1861: Very bad geo!
morganuci: short for Jubilation. The other sibs have similar names (Celebration etc.)
AGplusone: There's very interesting and well written treatment of people with substance abuse and emotional problems in Thunder. Made me want to read and enjoy Varley better.
AGplusone: Sensitive writer.
georule1861: He's almost always dealt with emotional issues of some sort in depth in his works.
IrishBet: Okay, Y'all hooked me. I'm ordering it now.
georule1861: Tho way back when when I first read Titan, I wasn't expecting him to grow into this.
georule1861: So very pleasantly surprised that way.
morganuci: I was going to ask, what else if anything should I read of Varley?
AGplusone: Yes, but in this one he kept it under control ... sometimes when he writes you wonder what he's dropped.
georule1861: Criminy, Titan was 1979.
georule1861: I read that at the time.
AGplusone: When was Steel Beach?
IrishBet: Okay, now I have to find something to bring my Amazon total over $25
AGplusone: It's with my paperbacks in the other room.
AGplusone: That recent. Surprised. What's the one about the theatre? Rufo likes it.
georule1861: Not sure.
AGplusone: The Golden Globe
georule1861: Ah, that makes sense.
AGplusone: Varley's plotting is usually a little weird, Pam, although Red Thunder wasn't.
georule1861: Good point.
georule1861: Red Thunder was pretty linear that way.
georule1861: By his standards.
IrishBet: I can live with weird. I read Brunner. Now, he's weird.
AGplusone: But not boring. He did spend a good amount of time on character in it, proving he understands Heinlein's juvies.
AGplusone: I liked the way Manny grew.
IrishBet: Should I go ahead and order both? Thunder and Lightning?
AGplusone: might as well, skipping generation sequel
georule1861: I'm curious what will happen in Lightning. I would not have predicted that Thunder made a good sequel-maker.
georule1861: Unlike that bastard RAH, who wrote books that begged for sequels and then didn't right them.
AGplusone: It's acceptible, just not as good I thought. Let politics intrude a little.
georule1861: The "always leave them wanting more" theory, I guess.
AGplusone: Yeah, him.
AGplusone: Steel Beach is a nice little satire ...
georule1861: I enjoyed it, but you probably need a taste for post-apocalyptic.
AGplusone: except I couldn't stand the "Heinleiners"
georule1861: Well, satire, as you said.
AGplusone: yeah, my first experience with Varley ... read before I met many fen.
georule1861: Heinleiners misunderstood end up a bit Randian lampooned.
AGplusone: I'd probably find it very mild if I reread it today.
AGplusone: After what I've encountered these past six years .... Ginny used to be amazed I ever went to a second SF convention.
AGplusone: "Do you really like to go to SF conventions, David?" That's a quote.
georule1861: The beautiful thing about a SF convention tho, is if you try you can find the convention you want, typically, and ignore the other 200 conventions going on around you.
AGplusone: Exactly, or do your own.
georule1861: Before the internet, that was nearly the only way "our people" had to find each other.
AGplusone:: Reminds me of the John D. MacDonald character, the friend of T. McGee, who used to take his neices off to Epcot.
AGplusone:: and never leave the hotel room
georule1861: Ah ha.
AGplusone: McGee is always borrowing his pick up truck
AGplusone: My question in Steel Beach was: why couldn't the Heinleiners be like that ... then I met the real CAW types, and understood it would have been too rich.
AGplusone: In the sixties when they asked me to share water they were in their teens and twenties. Now it's the same people, somewhat changed.
georule1861: Anyway, David, why don't you "volunteer" to Art to help test the archives delivery? Then probably he'll tell Deb to let you in, and you can enjoy.
AGplusone: I might mention it.
georule1861: It's not all there yet, but why not? You'd enjoy having that stuff on your harddrive.
AGplusone: T'anks for the offer.
georule1861: And Art's too busy to test it anyway. So win-win, y'know?
AGplusone: Art's letter mentions your goal by 7/7/07
georule1861: The pictures archive is going to be the bitch.
georule1861: To rationalize, that is.
AGplusone: And that's a nice edition of Glory Road, which, Tim, if you wanted to make about a month off, might be a chat topic.
morganuci: Good suggestion. It's been quite a while since I've read GR, so it'd be worth re-reading it to refresh my memory.
AGplusone: No one could claim their copy is in boxes somewhere.
IrishBet: LoL, Dave . . . . How're you doing on the mailing?
morganuci: Good point! Mine certainly is in storage right now.
AGplusone: I'm just a stuffin' away like a little beaver.
AGplusone: Making little beavers.
georule1861: Glory Road, somedays, is well up the list for me of favorites.
IrishBet: Mine are all comin back out! Got new bookcases. -))
georule1861: He's clearly having a blast.
georule1861: Yet getting his pot of message in on several fronts.
IrishBet: Sooner you than me. I had the Newsletters down to a science -- but I'm glad not to have the books the deal with.
georule1861: And showing off various historical references both lit'ry and otherwise.
AGplusone: I always liked Oscar ... just wanted to know what his real nickname, the unprintable one was.
georule1861: Well, *I* reupped after getting that email, so I better get my darn book.
georule1861: Tho the Society did very well by us on Amazon commissions for christmas shopping too, I would think.
AGplusone: Dunno. Never pay attention.
IrishBet: I go thru the website for everything now.
georule1861: I wouldn't be surprised if we're 1/2 of your Amazon commissions. LOL
georule1861: Deb loves it to death.
georule1861: If you see a big ticket item on that list, it's probably us.
AGplusone: Did we ever solve the problem with the subsequent purchases after one leaves the link on our site?
georule1861: Got a lovely Schmidt Cassegrain telescope that way.
georule1861: Gosh, I hope so. It should make a cookie that lasts for a day or two.
AGplusone: Write me something telling me how that works, please, Geo.
morganuci: What SCT did you buy?
georule1861: Celestron NexStar 8k
georule1861: Economical (relatively), yet powerful.
morganuci: Cool. Do you do any photography, or only visual use?
georule1861: Only visual so far.
morganuci: I was really into astrophotography, but after a while I'd done all I was capable of, and I was waiting for digital
morganuci: to become more affordable (being a "computer person"). It's getting there, but now I don't have the time!
georule1861: If we could extend the day another 4 hrs, I'd be grateful, yes.
morganuci: Or add an 8th day (another weekend day of course!)
georule1861: Well, the real problem is that we've got it bassackwards.
georule1861: Should be a two day work week and a 5 day "Weekend".
georule1861: That'd help a lot!
georule1861: And pretty much solve any unemployment issues!
morganuci: Like the 35 hour work week in France
georule1861: Maybe I'll write a book and call it "For Us. .." No, wait.
georule1861: I don't even get paid days off anymore, alas.
georule1861: I can take them, but I make too much money by not taking them.
AGplusone: Did SFWA ever give us any sort of linkage to our site, Geo?
morganuci: Yikes! That's practical slave labor!!
georule1861: I think they did, David. Let me check.
AGplusone: I'm deciding whether to renew membership by 20th.
georule1861: Well, I charged them an extra 50%, and hourly, to make up for it, Tim. So I can't complain.
morganuci: OK then, that's fair enough.
georule1861: Now, David, I suspect you know that Robert would want us to be members of those #$#@!
AGplusone: Yes, naturally.
You are now in chat room "heinleinreadersgroup."
AGplusone: see you're still here
morganuci:Just came back in---I was out too and didn't realize it. I was just writing that it seemed we were ready to wrap up anyway.
AGplusone: timing worked
AGplusone: get anything for a log?
morganuci: But I lost the chance to save a log of what was said.
AGplusone: I saved it. Tell Dave if he wants it I can send it to him.
morganuci: Good! I was intending to, then got kicked out.
AGplusone: take care ... I'm going to eat now.
morganuci: Will tell David. I'll also post a reminder about Saturday's chat, though last time it was very thinly attended.
morganuci: Good night!
AGplusone: Good night.
morganuci:has left the chat room.
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