Heinlein Readers Discussion Group
Thursday 01-23-2003 8:00 P.M. EST
Remembering Ginny Heinlein
Here Begins the Discussion Log
On January 23, 2003, the Heinlein Readers Group Discussion Room was open to all who wished to share stories and remembrances about Virginia Heinlein. This was the second such gathering. The log for the first can be found on the Master Index page under the title “The Passing of Ginny Heinlein” A complete obituary is given here:
From: David M. Silver
Subject: Re: RAH Reading Group meeting, tomorrow, 1/23/03
Date: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:07 PM
The following was written by Robert James () and transmitted to various news outlets.
It has already appeared in some and will appear in other newspapers. Feel free to pass it on to whatever paper that might cover the Butler, Mo., area, LN. They may contact me, as Secretary-Treasurer of The Heinlein Society for verification, if you wish. I’ll provide you, by email, my telephone number which they will require (if you don’t still have it). I have a high definition scanned [6 mg.] photo of her and Robert skating in 1952 at Snow Valley, California, during their tour of National Parks, if they can accept e-mail attachment of a .tif document. It’s the same one that appears in Grumbles from the Grave.
Virginia Heinlein passed away peacefully in her sleep in the early morning of January 18, 2003. She was 86 years old. Mrs. Heinlein was the widow of famed science fiction writer, Robert A. Heinlein, author of Stranger In a Strange Land and 55 other books, who died in 1988. Her death followed a prolonged bout of respiratory illness, including pneumonia, as well as a broken hip sustained on Thanksgiving Day, 2002, requiring surgery and a long recovery. The couple had no children, but countless readers around the world refer to themselves as “Heinlein’s Children.”
Virginia Gerstenfeld Heinlein was born April 22, 1916, in Brooklyn, New York, the daughter of a dentist. She went to the Packer Collegiate Institute, a college preparatory high school, where she finished in three-and-a-half years, always on the honor roll. She attended New York University, majoring in chemistry. She lettered in swimming, diving, basketball, and field hockey. She also reached national competitive levels in figure skating, the sport that became her lifelong passion. In the late 1950s, she served on the U.S. Olympic Committee for Skating. In time, she came to speak over seven languages, including French, Latin, Italian, and Russian.
Graduating in 1937, she worked for Quality Bakers as a chemist until 1943, when the WAVES was formed. She enlisted immediately and was commissioned as a WAVE lieutenant, serving first at the Bureau of Aeronautics, then at the Naval Air Experimental Station in Philadelphia in 1944 and 1945. She met Robert Heinlein there, working as a civilian aviation engineer because the Navy would not overlook his medical discharge due to tuberculosis in 1934. She served as his assistant on several classified development projects as a chemist and aviation test engineer.
After World War II, she came to Los Angeles to study for an unfinished doctorate in biochemistry at UCLA. She married Robert Heinlein in Raton, New Mexico, in October 1948. Thereafter, the two were inseparable; those who knew them spoke often of their intense and abiding love for each other. She became his closest companion, aiding him in his writing, and traveling the world with him. Virginia shepherded Robert through two severe near-death illnesses in the seventies through constant care and love. She took over the business aspects of his writing career, freeing him to focus on his writing. Together, they made a special project of organizing local and national blood drives and facilitating cooperation among all the blood collecting organizations in the world.
Shortly after his death in 1988, she moved to Florida. She gathered a selection of her husband’s letters in Grumbles from the Grave, printed for the first time his travel memoir Tramp Royale and political handbook Take Back Your Government (originally titled How to Be a Politician), and oversaw the restoration of several texts she felt had been badly edited, including Red Planet, Puppet Masters, and Stranger in a Strange Land.
Throughout her life, she loved reading, cooking, gardening, music, and politics. In recent years, declining eyesight and physical health curtailed some of her favorite activities, but she began and maintained an active presence on Internet venues devoted to study of her husband’s works, pursuing this new hobby with much energy.
She endowed the Robert Anson Heinlein Chair in Aerospace Engineering, established on August 28, 2001, at Annapolis, by a gift of over $2.6 million, in honor of her late husband, a graduate of the Naval Academy’s Class of 1929.
She also helped to found The Heinlein Society, an educational charity dedicated to paying forward to generations to come the many Heinlein legacies.
She also endowed the public library in Robert Heinlein’s birthplace of Butler, Missouri.
Readers have often remarked on the strength, intelligence, and power of his female characters; his fictional women were often based on Virginia Heinlein. As science fiction writer Spider Robinson said, “several of Heinlein’s women bear a striking resemblance to his wife Virginia.” Many of Heinlein’s books were dedicated to her. Virginia, or “Ginny” as she preferred to be called, was his sounding board and source of ideas; she originated the idea that became Stranger in a Strange Land. She was his first reader and trusted critic. Robert Heinlein once said she was “smarter, better, and more sensible than I am.” In a 1961 letter, he said, “She is what I feel to be a good person in the word’s simplest and plainest meaning. Which includes lashing out with her claws on some occasions when others may consider it improper. I don’t give a damn whether Ginny is ‘proper’ or not; I like her. I like her values.” At the end of one of his later books, Job: A Comedy of Justice, the final sentence has been read by many as Robert Heinlein s own tribute to his beloved wife: “Heaven is where Margrethe is.”
There will be no funeral. Her ashes will be scattered at sea in the Pacific, as were her husband’s. Mourners are asked to make blood donations in her memory, and may make charitable donations to The Heinlein Society at http://www.heinleinsociety.org, or P.O. Box 1254, Venice, California 90294-1254.
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Musiquelle26: I’m early, yes?
OscagneTX: howdy, all.
aggirlj: Hi Stephanie, a little, David’s on should be here soon.
DavidWrightSr: Just a little bit. Nobody’s saying anything yet..
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OscagneTX: what’s the official start time?
DavidWrightSr: 8:00 P.M. EST
aggirlj: Hi David S
AGplusone: 1 minute and 45 seconds
aggirlj: Daviud W
OscagneTX: *VROOM**VROOM**VROOM**VROOM**VROOM** VROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM*
AGplusone: er, 5 minutes etc. now
AGplusone: Hi, everyone.
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Musiquelle26: hello hello
aggirlj: Just keep that clutch in, slip over to the brake, hold it let go real slow Osc.
BJ Maranta: Hey Howdy Hey, everybody!
aggirlj: Hi Brian.
BJ Maranta: Hi, Sis!
OscagneTX: howdy, B.
AGplusone: Here’s to Virginia Heinlein. Tourjours, Ginny! [did I spell it right?]
BJ Maranta: Toujours, David
BJ Maranta: but Hear Hear!
AGplusone: good, glad someone can spell French
aggirlj: Close enough, Toujours, ‘Lac Heim(not spelled right.)
AGplusone: but *click*
BJ Maranta: *clink*
OscagneTX: *gulp* *smash*
aggirlj: David W I’m just about to read Elephants in Fantasies.
BJ Maranta: Tres bien fait, monsieur le Argent!
DavidWrightSr: Get plenty of handkerchiefs.
aggirlj: Okay, and hot chocolate.
AGplusone: I just read it. LA Times reporter, referred her to Jerry Pournelle. He said, Read Elephants. She came back to me, said, “Can you give me a one-line quote from it?” Awk!
BJ Maranta: LOL
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DenvToday: Greetings to one and all.
aggirlj: Hi there.
AGplusone: We do what we can, but I couldn’t see how without about a fifty word or more precís I could do it and make any sense at all.
DenvToday: For some reason, my IE link isn’t working.
DenvToday: I keep expecting SAcademic to enter the room.
aggirlj: Hi Osc, you missed my driving lesson.
Musiquelle26: I know that feeling
OscagneTX: No, I saw it.
AGplusone: But I think she’s going to write a nice obit for Ginny. The LA Times. maybe I’ll get lucky and she won’t quote me by name
OscagneTX: I didn’t know what to reply. Nothing I thought of was either witty or crude enough. %^)
Musiquelle26: I read your post David on her
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Musiquelle26: it hit hard
aggirlj: Quite extensive. What a life.
AGplusone: Hi, Alan, Barry
aggirlj: Hi Alan & Barry.
AGplusone: I propose we tell Ginny stories to start ….
Doc4Kidz: hello, all
AGplusone: Has everyone read Spin-off?
aggirlj: Not sure???
DenvToday: Naturally, she isn’t really gone. Mama Maureen came back to take her to Tertius. She’s going through rejuvenation treatments even as we speak.
OscagneTX: i have
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pixelmeow: hi, all
BJ Maranta: Lol, denv
DenvToday: Hiya pixel
aggirlj: Hi Teresa.
Musiquelle26: I sneezed as the cat came in…
pixelmeow: who is denv?
AGplusone: Spin-Off was Heinlein’s testimony about the advances in medical science spinning off from aerospace research. He used himself as example.
DenvToday: Mrs. Heinlein
OscagneTX: Pix… are you the one that writes the pictures page?
pixelmeow: no, that’s jump101
OscagneTX: ah. thanks
pixelmeow: denvtoday, who are you, may I ask?
pixelmeow: I don’t know that handle.
AGplusone: They were vacationing. at the top of some vocanic mountain on the island, maybe Tahati, I forget, led to by a cable car, he had that almost stroke, caused by the blocked artery to his brain. Paralysed.
DenvToday: My name is Ron. Nice to meet you. I’ve been coming on and off for a couple years now.
pixelmeow: Okay, thanks!
Musiquelle26: did I see that someone had posted the list of Screen names and names on their site?
OscagneTX: *straps denv into the comfy chair* “VE HAF VAYS UF MAKINK YOU TAWLK.”
DenvToday: “Is it safe?”
BJ Maranta: Jawhol!
AGplusone: Car wasn’t due back for a time … so Ginny hoisted him up on her back, and carried him down the mountain to the beach to get him to a doctor.
BJ Maranta: 🙂
Doc4Kidz: “can’t tell the players without a scorecard”
OscagneTX: stout lady.
mkeith54: my kind of lady
aggirlj: Petite as far as I can tell, but when that blood is rushing.
OscagneTX: “stout” encompasses more than body…
aggirlj: Thank you.
BJ Maranta: You said it, Osc
DenvToday: Adrenalin is a powerful thing. I read once of a grandma who lifted a car off of her grandsom when the jack slipped. Supposedly true story.
Doc4Kidz: I’m not on the list.
AGplusone: Could someone please send “Sarah Hoyt” an invite. Mine’s not working
Musiquelle26: I’ve seen that tale documented a few times
AGplusone: I’ll let Dave Wright know.
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OscagneTX: someone needs to Snopes that, because as I heard it, it was a 20 y.o. 5′ 0″ 95 lb. mom and her baby.
aggirlj: Hi Sarah.
Sarah Hoyt: hi.
Sarah Hoyt: I got twelve, I think.
Musiquelle26: hey Sarah
DenvToday: I suppose it could be an urban myth
Sarah Hoyt: I mean twelve invites. THanks guys.
AGplusone: Okay, I told my Ginny story … anyone else.
mkeith54: just want to make sure you feel welcome
OscagneTX: I wish I _had_ a Ginny story.
Sarah Hoyt: I do. I do.
Doc4Kidz: I do too
AGplusone: Imagine, in your forties, early fifties, carrying you husband down the hill of a vocano
pixelmeow: only story I have is the fact that I was honored to have met her online.
OscagneTX: ga, Sarah.
AGplusone: /ga Sarah
Doc4Kidz: Ladies first, Sarah
Sarah Hoyt: I didn’t mean I had a story. Although I do, but … later.
Sarah Hoyt: I meant I felt welcome.
Sarah Hoyt: Typed out of sync.
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BJ Maranta: Hey, Dan
DenvToday: I’m re-reading Tramp Royale. I didn’t know Mrs. Heinlein wel, just from the reading group, but TR made me feel that somewhow I did.
aggirlj: Hi Dan.
SubCrid Death: Hola
pixelmeow: hey you!
AGplusone: Tell ’em about telling Ginny the name of your son, please …
pixelmeow: I have *got* to get that book.
Musiquelle26: hey there
Sarah Hoyt: I just started reading Tramp Royale, too. And bought it for a friend.
OscagneTX: pix, want to borrow?
Sarah Hoyt: I send Mrs. Heinlein an announcement of my oldest son’s birth.
SubCrid Death: (I actually was unsure I should be here, though I knew about it. I didn’t really know Ginny, since I’d started after she had her accident that took her mostly offline.)
Sarah Hoyt: Because my husband and best friend made me.
OscagneTX: for you snail addy. I’ll send it.
Sarah Hoyt: Robert is named Robert Anson.
Musiquelle26: it was the last new Heinlein I read before exiting the Army…made me want to travel
BJ Maranta: 🙂
Sarah Hoyt: He’s now 11, and was born on 7/7/91
BJ Maranta: wow!
Musiquelle26: whoo hoo
DavidWrightSr: That’s neat
Doc4Kidz: I tried, but my wife doesn’t like the name “Robert”
OscagneTX: that’s so cool
Musiquelle26: I share your son’s birthday then, Sarah
Sarah Hoyt: Mrs. Heinlein sent him a teddy bear and was kind enough to want to keep track of his progress.
AGplusone: 7/7/07 is birthdate of Robert Anson Heinlein
DavidWrightSr: You were born in 1991?
Sarah Hoyt: I didn’t give my husband a choice as to the name.
Doc4Kidz: 7/7, though. That’s cool
Musiquelle26: since I met Ginny online, a few years back, she sent me a e-note every year on it
Sarah Hoyt: I told him our first son would be Robert Anson and that was it.
BJ Maranta: LOL
Musiquelle26: (DavidSr, you’re a kidder)
AGplusone: And Ginny said back?
Sarah Hoyt: Of course, he was due the fourth of July, but waited till just after midnight on the seventh.
Doc4Kidz: Is dad’s name Hamilton Felix?
BJ Maranta: It musta been hard, keeping your legs crossed for three days… (GDR)
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pixelmeow: hey bryan!
aggirlj: Hi Bryan.
DenvToday: pixel, I just bookmarked your site. I’ll explore it a bit later. Thanks!
BJ Maranta: Howdy, Bryan
pixelmeow: no prob, and do please send suggestions and corrections.
DenvToday: I sure will.
pixelmeow: I found that my link to the reading group site is not right.
Sarah Hoyt: She said she would like to keep track of his progress and that she thought Robert would be pleased. She also sent him a white teddy bear that this bit gallut (Robert is 5’8″ and 180 lbs mostly muscle) still sleeps with.
Sarah Hoyt: After that we corresponded fairly regularly, lately on email.
BJ Maranta: 🙂
Sarah Hoyt: She found the announcement of my first book sale in Locus and sent me a letter with very useful business advice.
Sarah Hoyt: And she was nice and kind and fun to talk to. And that’s my Mrs. Heinlein story. I managed to call her Ginny on AIM, because she requested it, but in my mind she’s always Mrs. Heinlein.
Doc4Kidz: I couldn;t call her “Ginny” either
pixelmeow: I spoke to Ginny in IM,
pixelmeow: and very nervously asked if I could call her Ginny…
pixelmeow: she said something like “of course, dear”
Doc4Kidz: So she called me “doctor” to get back at me 😉
pixelmeow: got all warm and fuzzy!
Sarah Hoyt: 😀
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Sarah Hoyt: I lived in fear I would do something she didn’t approve of.
Musiquelle26: I was told that she preferred it, by others, so did so rather than offend
Doc4Kidz: I blamed it on reading Robert’s books, of course
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pixelmeow: Me too, saray
BJ Maranta: Howdy, dee
pixelmeow: sarah, even
Musiquelle26: Hey there
DenvToday: It’s remarkable that any person would gain computer skills at her stage of life. It’s rare. Once people hit the magic age of 70 or so, they’re resistant.
pixelmeow: hey dee
Sarah Hoyt: Not that I thought she would be upset, but because I held her opinion in so much importance.
DavidWrightSr: She insisted that I called her Ginny and then I timidly asked if I might refer to Robert as Robert and she said, “of course, that was his name”
Sarah Hoyt: Hi.
Sarah Hoyt: I always called him Mr. Heinlein.
pixelmeow: I was so intimidated.
jilyd: Hi, Pix, everyone. Thanks for the invite.
Sarah Hoyt: Because we got into these “my Robert” things on AIM.
Doc4Kidz: can I tell my story?
BJ Maranta: Go, doc
Sarah Hoyt: Please.
Musiquelle26: Actually, I have seen a lot of seniors turn into geeks as they learned how it could enhance their social lives
AGplusone: Yeah, yeah, go Doc
DavidWrightSr: I was flabbergasted the night that David AG first told me that he had been online with a very nice lady in Florida. It took me a couple of minutes to figure it out.
DenvToday: Musique, I’m glad to hear that!
Doc4Kidz: well, if you’ve ready the newsletter, there’s a pic of us that my wife took Sept. 8th, 2001
aggirlj: I’m back, hi Dee.
Sarah Hoyt: My newsletter arrives mangled. I usually get only one page.
Musiquelle26: (Call me Steph, shorter)
Sarah Hoyt: Truly weird.
Doc4Kidz: We were staying at my mom’s St Augustine place and we had just done the 1st blood drive in Philly
AGplusone: http://www.heinleinsociety.org/news04.html has the photo.
Doc4Kidz: and she invited me and my family, no less, to join her for lunch…
AGplusone: We’re using a heavier paper next issue. Postal Service definitely folds, spindles and mutilates
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Doc4Kidz: I’ve been less nervous going into surgery (mine AND others’)…
aggirlj: Hi there.
DenvToday: I have a minor story.
Doc4Kidz: my kids were 2,4,6 and 8 then
aggirlj: Doc 🙂 nice memory.
AGplusone: Welcome, Solomon, is it? I’m David
Doc4Kidz: and they misbehaved throughout the meal, as Bill can attest to
DenvToday: Yes, very nice 🙂
sdavido: Yeah. Solomon Davidoff. Hello David.
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Sarah Hoyt: I understand that. My jewish friends accuse me of being too roman — they say I deyfied the Heinleins. I don’t think so. I think it’s a matter of having been raised in Heinlein’s books.
AGplusone: (but not your father …. :-))
Sarah Hoyt: In a way they were my parents.
Doc4Kidz: but Ginny was very understanding and made me feel a little better although I was completely mortified at their behavior
jilyd: Nice, Doc.
DenvToday: People forget that one of the three boys in his first books, Rocket Galileo, was Jewish.
Sarah Hoyt: (mind parents. I’m not insane.)
AGplusone: Time for another toast from someone? Water if you wish, juice, or that odder stuff.
Musiquelle26: I have not been faced with entertaining out of my home with the kids yet…
DenvToday: his first book, that is.
jilyd: Dencv, I disagree about age 70, too. You should meet my mom.
Musiquelle26: I dread it
pixelmeow: drinks all around
sdavido: I grew up on Heinlein’s words as well . . . and Mrs. Heinlein gave me one of my first real professional compliments.
Sarah Hoyt: Bourbon okay?
AGplusone: *to Ginny*
aggirlj: Hear, hear, *clink*.
Sarah Hoyt: Clink.
BJ Maranta: Semper Ginny
BJ Maranta: clink
AGplusone: tell us, Solomon, please.
DenvToday: jilyd, I’m very pleased to be proved wrong! I based what I said on people I know. I’m thrilled it isn’t generally so.
SubCrid Death: *clink, gulp, crash*
aggirlj: brb, watching pasta.
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sdavido: I wrote a piece, some of you may have seen it, for The Heinlein Journal, on the presentation of Communism in Starship Troopers.
Dehede011: Good evening
SubCrid Death: Watching pasta? Interesting show, Jane? 🙂
BJ Maranta: Howdy, Ron
LadyS122: I matured to Heinlein’s works… until then I was a fairly lost (but adept at faking it) teenager (19), then I met the most wonderful man, and he loaned me his Heinleins… Talk about epiphany.
Musiquelle26: I have a small story
sdavido: Mrs. Heinlein wrote in a letter to say that I had captured Heinlein’s beliefs correctly.
AGplusone: is it webposted anywhere Solomon? And what did she write?
BJ Maranta: Go, Steph
sdavido: I still remember proudly showing it to a local collegue, who said “So? What does she know?”
Musiquelle26: I was down on myself about how much I contributed to the writing with my Partner
jilyd: She started her working career in the days of a PBX with plugs, and a speker hung around her neck. Adding machin was not even a ten-key but 100 ket manual and pull down the crank. At 72, she still works full-time as an accountant
sdavido: I almost slapped him.
AGplusone: LOL, so what did HE know?
Sarah Hoyt: Yeah.
Musiquelle26: and she had recently dropped me a note in response to a question I had on a story
jilyd: Uning a computerized system ANd has a PC at home. Got her first PC before I did, in fact. Got a Ham radio ticket at 60.
sdavido: My piece was in HJ#2, I think, and her letter printed in #6 . . .
DenvToday: I will never forget the day I met Mrs. Heinlein online. I had been coming to the group on and off for a year or so. I will always remember the IM sent to me — I think it was Dave AG, who told me that SAcademic was Mrs. Heinlein.
DavidWrightSr: No 3 Solomon
AGplusone: go on Steph, referring to Ebon, who passed on lately?
DenvToday: My jaw literally dropped.
Musiquelle26: Somehow her note, on an unrelated subject, had the effect of rejuvenating my faith in my writing, as it showed me how much she had helped Robert by being their to read the first editions, so to speak
BJ Maranta: :-), Steph
Musiquelle26: I was mostly an editor, or spring board for her creativity
DenvToday: Mus, that’s wonderful.
sdavido: I regret not getting the opportunity to know her better.
Musiquelle26: No, she was wonderful
pixelmeow: As do I.
jilyd: Wish I had met Ebontress.
AGplusone: Everyone always asked Ginny, who said she thought herself the same thing, to write her biography or about Robert. She always said, No, I couldn’t do any more of that.
pixelmeow: I wanted to know her better, but I did not want to “crowd” her.
AGplusone: I wish she had!
Musiquelle26: Hopefully, people can…thru her writings
jilyd: Btw, Steph, loved the picture. Glad she was in it, too.
pixelmeow: yeah, I saw that today.
pixelmeow: Nice. 🙂
pixelmeow: Finally have some faces in my mind.
Musiquelle26: It was taken a year after her cancer surgery
jilyd: Are any of her writings onthe web?
BJ Maranta: Still need a pic of you, Pixel!
sdavido: May I ask how you all heard of her passing? Harry Turtledove told me.
OscagneTX: And the next time I hear you denigrating your cuteness, Steph, I’m going to hang you up by the thumbs and whip you with a small kitten. %^)\
Musiquelle26: I have to edit, and then either web-publish, or shop them around
jilyd: Commercially published?
aggirlj: Me too, saw the pix . .
AGplusone: The hardest thing in the world was/is/ever shall be to write about the person you love.
DenvToday: pixel, every time I saw her online, I tried to keep myself from gushing. I succeeded most of the time.
pixelmeow: who do you think that is in “meet 2”, 3, and 4???
BJ Maranta: hmmm
pixelmeow: Denv, I succeeded every time but two.
pixelmeow: I gushed on the newsgroup, IIRC
jilyd: Good to see your pix, too, Brian. Nice.
pixelmeow: and I gushed in email.
LadyS122: Steph is cute… how she manages to look like her father and still be cute, is beyond me, but she does it. 🙂
AGplusone: But I wish Ginny had done it.
DenvToday: Difficult, wasn’t it?
AGplusone: For Ginny.
pixelmeow: it really was.
AGplusone: Because goodness she could talk forever about Robert.
Musiquelle26: Zoë got the better looks, but she looks like me, so I don’t know how
pixelmeow: I think she heard so much from so many of us on how much we loved her…
pixelmeow: I didn’t want to bother her…
Musiquelle26: Ginny was very forthcoming in helping us who never met him, know him
pixelmeow: or her to think I was some sort of weirdo.
jilyd: Lord, I wish I had saved our conversations. <>
BRSTAHL: A picture of Pixel last summer is at http://brstahl.home.sprynet.com/_images/P9070006%20(Small) .JPG
pixelmeow: I knew it!
Sarah Hoyt: I lived in fear she thought I was insane.
pixelmeow: Sarah, I did the same thing.
Sarah Hoyt: I wish I’d saved our last AIM conversation.
pixelmeow: Me too.
BJ Maranta: And a good pic, too, Bryan!
pixelmeow: I was helping her with her computer,
pixelmeow: and I don’t know how much good it did,
pixelmeow: but she got back online,
jilyd: Pixel, we kept telling her, but I don’t think whe ever quite grasped that we loved GINNY, not just Robert’s widow.
pixelmeow: and was so sweet…
OscagneTX: pix looks slightly insane in that pic… %^)
AGplusone: It surprised the heck out of her. She thought, judging from what she heard critically, that no one even thought about her. Just plugging away in the condo, away in Florida, unable to travel.
pixelmeow: 😛 Osc!
jilyd: she ever grasped.
DavidWrightSr: I tried to save all of ours, but I missed a few. I saw her online a lot of times and wanted to talk but felt that I didn’t want to impose too much.
AGplusone: She was so pleased with the warm welcome she got from us.
pixelmeow: Me too, DaveSR.
pixelmeow: I’d see her online and wish her well…
pixelmeow: but didn’t talk.
pixelmeow: wish I had.
OscagneTX: me too
Sarah Hoyt: She told me to stop apologizing so much. 🙂 And she told me — after a lengthy discussion ranging from the Illiad to kids, she said she thought Robert would be proud of me. I’ll al
aggirlj: I had just pasted her on the Heinlein list I had.
jilyd: AG, you mentioned a lot of the things she did in her life. Did you know she was a serious photographer and that she painted?
Sarah Hoyt: ways remember that and hope it was true.
sdavido: That’s always the way . . .
Musiquelle26: I imposed a few times…and was told it was no imposition
DavidWrightSr: I wanted to go over those conversations today, but got tied up in another project and haven’t had the chance yet
Dehede011: Jilyd said, “Pixel, we kept telling her, but I don’t think whe ever quite grasped that we loved GINNY, not just Robert’s widow.” that was so difficult to explain to her.
OscagneTX: The only real times I saw her was in here, and I was too noob to be confident enough to say anything. I just lurked.
AGplusone: I knew she took some beautiful photos of Robert. she told me about painting, and she regretted she couldn’t do that any more.
DenvToday: Do you all remember the James Earl Jones character from “Field of Dreams”? He spent his life trying to avoid people telling him how much his writing changed their lives.
DavidWrightSr: She always said that it was no imposition. She did have to leave several times on Sunday morning to go to brunch.
DenvToday: I didn’t want to be one of those annoying people.
OscagneTX: You know… I thin k she only addressed me directly one time. She wanted to know if “Oscagne, TX” was the town I lived in. 🙂
AGplusone: My favorite photo is the one she took of Robert sitting, looking down and reading a book in his lap.
LadyS122: Denv – I know what you mean… it is always hard to tell how far is too far, when you know there are so many other people just like you out there who want to know that person.
Sarah Hoyt: Me too, I saw her on, but I didn’t say anything most of the time.
AGplusone: She was very proud of that photo. they used it on book jackets, Glory Road, etc.
DenvToday: Yes, exactly, Lady.
AGplusone: Gifford used it on his RAH:A Readers Companion.
jilyd: I know. We talked a lot at 6:00 am, but I was always afraid I would be imposing on her.
DavidWrightSr: I did talk at length with her about getting a set of her photos and putting them into a photo gallery on the heinleinsociety.org website, but unfortunately, that was just after her pneumonia and she was still trying to get caught up
AGplusone: I used it, cropped as a portrait, on the old reading group website.
sdavido: I’ll have to try and get that one for the Centennial Collection.
jilyd: AG knew her so much better than I, and he assured me that she would not allow herself to be imposed upon.
pixelmeow: Yes, dee.
DenvToday: He was a handsome devil as a young man.
BJ Maranta: Although I never had the chance to talk to Ginny on chats, I have a bit of a story…
AGplusone: We have it. Gifford sent it to Jane Davitt who passed it around to us.
Musiquelle26: go Brian
BJ Maranta: Not really a Ginny story, but something I want to share
BRSTAHL: Tell it.
BJ Maranta: We have a pair of peach-faced lovebirds
AGplusone: Ginny lost the only copies of the photo she had, somehow.
BJ Maranta: The first one we got was a common, Green, Peach-faced, and we named him Bobby
AGplusone: Perhaps a visitor left accidentally with it.
Sarah Hoyt: My Robert would like a blow-up of a Heinlein photo for his locker.
BJ Maranta: After a while, we got him a companion, a Yellow, Peach-faced love bird, who we named Ginny.
Musiquelle26: That’s great
Sarah Hoyt: That is sweet.
BJ Maranta: They got along fine. And then one day, “Bobby” laid an egg
DenvToday: Yeah, nice.
BJ Maranta: And it hatched
Sarah Hoyt: LOL.
BJ Maranta: So, Bobby became “Bobbie” and Ginny became “Djinnie”
sdavido: Laz figured that might happen . . ..
DenvToday: Maybe “he” was a cross-dresser
BJ Maranta: You can see them at: http://www.magsi.com/Aviary/lovebirds.html
Sarah Hoyt: Crossbirder.
DenvToday: lol Sarah
sdavido: Good pics.
Dehede011: Good pics
aggirlj: Really nice.
DenvToday: Brian, you should have named “him” Libby. Started out as a boy, later became a girl.
BJ Maranta: They’ve had about 6 or 7 clutches so far
BJ Maranta: Yah, but we wanted to keep the phonetic, Ron
DenvToday: Good point. lol
Sarah Hoyt: Yes, they should have kept to the prophetic instead…
jilyd: My moother is due to get a new puppy as soon as it is weaned. She has been having trouble thinking of a name. Thought of Ginnie, because teh pup was born in Va., but wasn’t sure she liked it. When she found out about our
jilyd: Ginnie’s death, she decided to go ahead with it.
DenvToday: Have Mrs. Heinlein’s papers and writings been archived?
DenvToday: I’m sure there’s a treasure trove there.
Sarah Hoyt: According to the buzz on writers’ nets, yes. For fifty years.
BJ Maranta: We even kept one of their babies. Because of the colouring, we are sure he’s a boy, and we named him “Kip.”
OscagneTX: When is she making her last trip to the Pacific?
DenvToday: Kip. Great name.
Doc4Kidz: During my visit, Ginny asked me about my rockets and the conversation turned to Robert’s role as expert commentator during the Apollo 11 flight…
Dehede011: Doc, that sounds interesting
Doc4Kidz: I told her I bought the CBS video copy of the coverage just to see if it had RObert’s parts…
Doc4Kidz: It doesn’t…
Doc4Kidz: she HAS that part
Doc4Kidz: told me I;d have to come back again to view it
DenvToday: If somebody finds that tape and makes copies, I’d sure buy one.
Doc4Kidz: CBS gave it to her with the promise that she’d keep it and not distribute it
Doc4Kidz: I would ask Bill, wouldn’t you think so?
Sarah Hoyt: We never took the kids down, though she mentioned in the last letter she’d like to meet our Robert. I was hoping he’d grow out of his terrible phase… Now I’m sorry I didn’t take him. 🙁
Doc4Kidz: he may know something about it
Musiquelle26: aggravating capitalism
Sarah Hoyt: I think you can distribute it without charging.
Sarah Hoyt: I think.
aggirlj: That may have run out if it wasn’t in perptuity.
DenvToday: pituitary…um…ah, forget it.
AGplusone: Er, Doc, we have that part. It came in to me over the transom.
aggirlj: Where’s a lawyere when you need one.
sdavido: Sadly I’m going to have to run. Thank you all.
AGplusone: I played it for everyone at ConJose.
Musiquelle26: good eve, sdavido
DenvToday: Bye for now, sd
Sarah Hoyt: Nice “talking”
Doc4Kidz: you DID?
BJ Maranta: G’nite, Solomon
aggirlj: By sdavido.
Dehede011: How is Roberts part, Dave AG
jilyd: Bye, sd.
AGplusone: Yeah, Sundance. We robbed the train. Cut your throat. And come to TorCon and see it again.
AGplusone: VEry nice.
BJ Maranta: TorCon? Toronto?
Musiquelle26: sniff, wish could go to TorCon
BJ Maranta: When
sdavido has left the room.
Doc4Kidz: hmmm, I’d sure like to see that (hint, hint)
SageMerlin: Why can’t you go to Toronto
Sarah Hoyt: Me too, but money still limited this year, so no extraneous cons unless they’re paying my way (one is.) and still figuring out how to pay for worldcon.
Musiquelle26: I am no longer working…one income does not stretch as far as two did
Doc4Kidz: I remember stopping off on the way to “Landings” and picking up flowers. I felt like a teen on his first date. Just as nervous.
BJ Maranta: When is TorCon?
BJ Maranta: Is there a web site with details
aggirlj: On one of the threads.
AGplusone: Labor Day weekend, first Monday in September
AGplusone: and preceeding thurs, fri, sat, and sun
Musiquelle26: be lucky just to get Kev to his Heroes Con in Charlotte this year
AGplusone: Gets rolling on Saturday, but ….
Sarah Hoyt: Charlotte. Most of our furniture is still there…
AGplusone: Friday is a good day too
Sarah Hoyt: Ten years.
BJ Maranta: Crap! Toronto is within spittin’ distance of my place, but I think I have a previous commitment that weekend…
AGplusone: Well, there’s Thursday, Friday, ….
Musiquelle26: Ouch, Sarah
RAHfan147 has entered the room.
Musiquelle26: hello hello
Sarah Hoyt: … someday. If our friend hasn’t cleaned her attic. 🙂
AGplusone: Hi, Tian. Welcome
pixelmeow: hey tian
Sarah Hoyt: Hi.
BJ Maranta: Howdy, Tian
OscagneTX: howdy, tian.
LadyS122: hi Tian.
Musiquelle26: toast time?
jilyd: Hi, Tian!
Sarah Hoyt: Toast, toast, toast.
RAHfan147: I wasn’t expecting to visit.
SubCrid Death: *plugs in toaster oven* Oh, not that kind of toast. Nevermind…
OscagneTX: let’s have Tian give the toast.
Musiquelle26: to our Virtual Mother, the woman who kept Robert going
Sarah Hoyt: Mine wiht cheese, please.
pixelmeow: slurp *crash*
BJ Maranta: Hear Hear! *Clink*
RAHfan147: A toast!
BRSTAHL: Hear, hear!
aggirlj: hear, hear, *clink#.
Sarah Hoyt: Bite, drink.
Dehede011: hear hear
AGplusone: *click” nice white wine
mkeith54: prost, clink gulp crash
Sarah Hoyt: And a meow from Pixel next to me.
Dehede011: For Robert our respect, for Ginny our love
Sarah Hoyt: Yes.
Sarah Hoyt: Or our love for both.
SubCrid Death: *clink, gulp, crash*
pixelmeow: slurp *crash*
Sarah Hoyt: Drink.
pixelmeow: another pile of glass.
Doc4Kidz: clink, drink
BJ Maranta: I’ll get the broom…
jilyd: More sweeping tomorrow.
Dehede011: And you know something, I think Robert would like it just that way
LadyS122: Let Mike get it… 🙂
OscagneTX: Pix… just pop over to Dan Davis’ place and get a Maid.
Musiquelle26: We’ll use the glass shards to build a virtual wall against trolls
Doc4Kidz: MIne landed in the fireplace, didn;t yours?
pixelmeow: hey, yeah…
aggirlj: Steph, good one.
pixelmeow: Of course, that’s where I threw it.
jilyd: Yeah, doc, but eventually the firplace gets full.
RAHfan147: Me to.
Sarah Hoyt: You know, I used to have these strange dreams when I went walking with him and just talked. I hope she’s there next time… Okay. I know it doesn’t make any sense.
SubCrid Death: Doc, that just means there’s soot on the glass shards. 😉
Sarah Hoyt: It’s a quantum fireplace. Never full.
OscagneTX: makes plenty of sense.
DenvToday: I threw mine into the fire as well. Unfortunately, I was using the pewter tankard.
jilyd: Systemis, bar wenches sweep, bar goyles haul the glass out.
Doc4Kidz: it’s in Gay’s annex
Sarah Hoyt: YES!
aggirlj: Apprentice here and ready.
jilyd: It’ll wait til morning, jane.
pixelmeow: allright, ‘prentice, another round please!
Sarah Hoyt: BTW, if you name your car Gay Deceiver, it’s not a good idea to put a sticker with the name on it. I did. My first car. :-[
OscagneTX: Hell… just ask the Writer to have it vanish quietly away.
aggirlj: Okeedokee, gotta’ get some ice.
jilyd: Irish, here.
pixelmeow: My first personalized plate was “dorable”.
jilyd: LOL, sara.
Sarah Hoyt: That was my second car.
aggirlj: With or without whipped cream.
pixelmeow: Everyone thought I was talking about my daughter.
Sarah Hoyt: 🙂
BJ Maranta: 🙂 Pix
DenvToday: Sarah, protests from the gay community?
mkeith54: Or even naming a computer that, where others can see
pixelmeow: So now it’s “pxl cat”
Sarah Hoyt: Weird questions in parking lots.
DenvToday: I can imagine.
Sarah Hoyt: And Pixel thanks you.
Musiquelle26: Zoë’s middle name is Isadora…call her Is Adorable alot
Sarah Hoyt: Pixel is 14, orange and massive.
pixelmeow: with my college thingy in between.
pixelmeow: it’s a VCU plate, my alma mater.
Sarah Hoyt: His brother Randy died in November, but DT is doing quite well, and still adorable.
SubCrid Death: “college thingy”? Here’s me. Here’s the 10 meter pole. Here’s me not using the pole to touch that. ;P
AGplusone: Well, mine is named “Bob” … and guess what that is meant to suggest.
Musiquelle26: My current orange cat is Memphis Jones
aggirlj: Good Dan, smart.
AGplusone: He’s black and Master of All He Surveys.
Musiquelle26: I try to put an Egyptian city in all their names, and Pixel didn’t ring well with any of them
Sarah Hoyt: I thought of college thingy the same way, too. 🙂
Doc4Kidz: no pets, but four kids that do a fair imitation of wild animals
Sarah Hoyt: Black cat is Euclid.
DenvToday: lol Doc
LadyS122: Steph’s brother is Robert, and we have a Pixel cat. 🙂
BJ Maranta: Lol, Barry
AGplusone: Although I told Ginny it was “sheer coincidence” ….
AGplusone: heh, she said.
Musiquelle26: Black and white, named by kids, is Burlioz
Sarah Hoyt: Mistress of all she surveys is the youngest. Miranda.
Sarah Hoyt: Bet you did. I got it, though.
OscagneTX: I just sent three more cat pics to the pic page.
Musiquelle26: Mine are camera shy
BJ Maranta: Steve’s gonna be busy
Sarah Hoyt: We take pictures and then we lose them.
Musiquelle26: dogs aren’t, though
jilyd: I named my male cat Loki–redheadded troublemaker.
AGplusone: Had to stick mine up in a tree so you wouldn’t see the mess in the background, books on floor, etc., in the house.
Sarah Hoyt: I grew up in a house with a lot of cats. Thought I was a cat till I was six. Pixel is sitting on my sofa arm, chatting with me.
Sarah Hoyt: Books on floor isn’t mess. It’s living.
Sarah Hoyt: Pile to read, pile just read, pile…
RAHfan147: I’m allergic to cats. I found out when my sister got me one for my birthday one year.
OscagneTX: cats have fun in mess.
Doc4Kidz: my journal piles are like that.
Musiquelle26: two kids, one man…don’t even bother trying to do more than keep the floor walkable
BJ Maranta: Hang on a sec, gotta step afk for a bit…
Dehede011: One of the last conversations with Ginny was about the difference between cats as pets and cats as working members of a farm
Sarah Hoyt: Oh, yeah Steph.
Sarah Hoyt: Every week I clean. Stays clean for an hour. I swear. Early and often.
AGplusone: Ginny sent me a whole slew of photos of Bonny Doon, all really poorly framed, taken by some housesitters while she and Robert were off going around the world again … but
mkeith54: Tian, so am I, however I have a HUsky that is at least 90% cat in his actions and mannerisims
Sarah Hoyt: Well, my grandmother treated her cats somewhere between pets and working members.
Doc4Kidz: must have some other meaning
DenvToday: Sarah, why clean at all? It’s like eating — you just get hungry again.
RAHfan147: One of the guys I went to school with told stories about turning on his tractor and killing farm cats with the fan.
TreetopAngelRN2 has entered the room.
AGplusone: several of the photos were of a large orange cat. Said to self: PIXEL! Ginny came back
Dehede011: Yes, Sarah and it is really different isn’t it
aggirlj: Hi Elizabeth.
TreetopAngelRN2: Hi Everyone!
AGplusone: said no, Plushbottom Taffrail or some such.
LadyS122: Hi Elizabeth.
Musiquelle26: I acquired a wolf/husky/chow by gifting just after I lost my long time canine friend
Musiquelle26: he thinks he can clean like a cat
OscagneTX: howdy T&A.
BRSTAHL: What was the phrase from Friday, “rodent control engineers”?
jilyd: Like Joan Rivers said about hating hosework–make the beds, wash the dishes, and 5 months later it’s all to do over agian.
aggirlj: That must be a pix.
AGplusone: Large really nasty looking tom.
RAHfan147: Hello TTA!
DenvToday: lol I like that!
Sarah Hoyt: They say there’s a breed — I think it’s siberian something — that actually has the endorsement of the asthma association. People hwo are alergic to cats tollerate these.
TreetopAngelRN2: Lookit all these lovely people!
Dehede011: On a farm a cat is a working member of the team
SubCrid Death: Feline-less right now, but should I find the ability to faithfully/effectively serve a feline, I’m thinking “Catherine” as a name if female, as in the tsarina. Not Cathy, not Cate, and definitely not Cat. No idea about male…
OscagneTX: Sarah, the hairless kind?
SubCrid Death: … names, off the top of my head.
DenvToday: I’ve been searching for a Jellicle cat, sadly to no avail.
mkeith54: Sarah , a cat siberan that is a house cat?
RAHfan147 has left the room.
Musiquelle26: Abyssinian do not tend to trigger the allergy
pixelmeow: hey e!
TreetopAngelRN2: Been looking for a tiger, myself, Siberian that is!
SubCrid Death: Not a Heinlein connection AFAIK, but anyhow…
Dehede011: Question, at Bonny Doon did the cats get the run of the outdoors?
Musiquelle26: nor do Sphinx’s, but they are a poor, unfortunate breed
Reilloc has entered the room.
Sarah Hoyt: No, hairless still cause allergy.
jilyd: I have read that a oonce a week bath removes nearly all of the dander allergy problem with cats.
pixelmeow: hey LN!
DenvToday: I wonder if the Heinleins ever saw “Cats” on broadway.
Musiquelle26: afk…time for kids beddybye
Reilloc: Hi, all.
Sarah Hoyt: These guys are actually long hair, but only one coat and there’s some mutation in their saliva.
pixelmeow: Night, Filly
jilyd: Night, Steph.
BJ Maranta: K, Back
OscagneTX: L Front
mkeith54: cat, bath… hum.. any skin left afterward?
Sarah Hoyt: I’ll find it again eventually.
BJ Maranta: LOL, Osc
Sarah Hoyt: We do have a cornish Rex.
mkeith54: on the human that is?
OscagneTX: comeon… that’s hackneyed.
Sarah Hoyt: Dan fell in love with her and that was that, though paying for the cat is immoral, somehow.
LadyS122: some cats actually like baths.. just have to start em young…
Sarah Hoyt: She has tiny curly hair. Miranda.
Sarah Hoyt: And she’s dad’s princess.
BJ Maranta: But the fur sticks to your tounge…
aggirlj: Bought a Balinese that wasn’t supposed to shed, right.
TreetopAngelRN2: Smudge hates snow…we just found that out!
Doc4Kidz: Well friends, I wanted to say my say since I missed the “wake”. Goodnight.
BJ Maranta: Nite, Barry
Dehede011: Nite, Doc
Sarah Hoyt: Goodnight.
DenvToday: Bye for now, Doc.
aggirlj: By Doc.
BJ Maranta: Old Steve Martin Joke, Sis
TreetopAngelRN2: Night doc!
Sarah Hoyt: You know, I was feeling all blue and out of sorts and couldn’t figure out how to mourn.
Doc4Kidz has left the room.
Sarah Hoyt: I mean, when my grandmother died, I wrote a story, but now….
Sarah Hoyt: So, I bought a full set of juveniles and donated them to Robert’s literacy class.
mkeith54: Bandit ,our husky, likes showers. My mother-in-law didn’t get the door to the bathroom closed. Two years later I can still hear the screams.
BJ Maranta: Nice, Sarah
TreetopAngelRN2: Cool Sarah!
Sarah Hoyt: And I seem to feel better now.
jilyd: Neat, sarah.
DenvToday: Sarah, lovely thing to do.
Sarah Hoyt: It was just… I had to do something.
aggirlj: Yeah, that’s what does it you feel so helpless.
OscagneTX: I couldnt’ think what to post. No words came. What I finally put was so lame I can’t even remember what it was.
DenvToday: I remember the day RAH passed away. Like yesterday.
pixelmeow has left the room.
Sarah Hoyt: Me too.
Sarah Hoyt: The day I moved to my first house. My erstwhile landlord drove up to tell me.
AGplusone: Hi, LN. that was a great letter you sent the Butler home town paper for Ginny.
Sarah Hoyt: I sat in that empty house and felt lost.
mkeith54: Yeah, I heard on the way to the base, wasn’t worth a damn the rest of the day
AGplusone: What’s the major paper in StLouis?
mkeith54: St louis post
TreetopAngelRN2: I read it in the newspaper after work, broke down in tears.
mkeith54: Post-dispatch that is
DenvToday: I called a talk radio show that day. Before the internet, before that sense of community. I started a discussion on the talk show.
aggirlj: Tell more.
AGplusone: They might be an appropriate object of a copy
DenvToday: The lines lit up. Many people called, shared what RAH meant to them.
TreetopAngelRN2: I was living in Lakewood CO at the time
DenvToday: Tree, no kidding? I’m in Denver. It was on KOA.
TreetopAngelRN2: I prolly heard parts of it!
Reilloc: I’ll call the guy again about it tomorrow, Dave.
Sarah Hoyt: I’m in Manitou, Denv. Have we met? Con?
AGplusone: Thank you much.
pixelmeow has entered the room.
DenvToday: Sarah, I don’t think so. Oddly enough, I’ve never been to one.
BRSTAHL: I first saw the news on RAH in the Washingon Post, while in my initial State Dept. training.
Reilloc: Like I wrote you, it’s not much of a newspaper.
pixelmeow: okay that was weird.
Sarah Hoyt: BTW, the organizer of MileHi has promissed to let us have a blood drive this year, so I should get on that.
Sarah Hoyt: I haven’t been able to make any of the meetings.
DenvToday: I plan to in the future. I’ve been having some back problems, but they’re improving.
Sarah Hoyt: Great.
AGplusone: Got two nice calls from the LA Times today. they wanted photos and interviews with authors too. Gave them a list. Talked to Jerry Pournelle who was very gracious to them.
TreetopAngelRN2: Let us know a date Sarah, I love MileHi and plan on being down there this summer…making plans to terrorize Colo Springs with Jane!
LadyS122: I have to go… laundry to finish and then I have to get ready to meet some friends… Be Well everyone, and tell Steph good night from her dad and me.
Sarah Hoyt: I’m just having kid problems. They haven’t grown up yet. Makes my whole schedule funky. 🙂
BJ Maranta: Nite, Ladys
AGplusone: We will. best to Tony
aggirlj: By Bro!
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Lady
LadyS122: will send it on.
Sarah Hoyt: I’ll have my writing partner here from Atlanta. She’s a society member, too, but she doesn’t come to these things.
Sarah Hoyt: Goodnight.
LadyS122 has left the room.
BJ Maranta: I’m not leaving, Sys; I was saying g’nite to Ladys122
DenvToday: I’m a big Pournelle fan. RAH called The Mote in God’s Eye the finest SF work he’d ever read. RAH was being modest.
aggirlj: Figured that.
Sarah Hoyt: My messages are coming in late.
BJ Maranta: 🙂
pixelmeow: I keep saying I’m gonna read that, denv…
TreetopAngelRN2: Likes Pournelle and Niven
DenvToday: pixel, it’s a must.
pixelmeow: I keep getting sidetracked…
BRSTAHL: RAH also was an unattributed editor on MOTE.
AGplusone: We’re hoping to put together a collection of RAH’s non-fiction on writing including if JP and LN will let us, the fabled letters on Mote
RAH wrote them.
DenvToday: The Gripping Hand is the sequel. Not as good as The Mote, but still worth reading.
SubCrid Death: Heh. I just finished reading the last of The Prince, DT. (Collection of Pournelle’s Falkenberg’s Legion stories, plus the ones he and S.M. Stirling co-wrote)
TreetopAngelRN2: I like that idea David, learned alot from Niven when he was at a con here.
Sarah Hoyt: I think I did. In Portuguese. Um… should try it in English.
AGplusone: Huge, detailed letter suggestion this and that. Over 80 pages total.
SubCrid Death: I’d read most of them in seperate books, but not as one complete set.
BPRAL22169 has entered the room.
pixelmeow: Hi, Bill!@
aggirlj: Hi Bill.
AGplusone: Evenin’ Bill
BJ Maranta: Howdy Bill
jilyd: Hi, Bill.
TreetopAngelRN2: Hello Bill
DenvToday: Hello Bill
OscagneTX: howdy, bill.
BPRAL22169: Hello, all. Sorry to be late — just got back.
Sarah Hoyt: hi.
Dehede011: Hi Bill
SubCrid Death: (And, speaking of TGH, I have a 1st Ed. copy of The Moat Around Murcheson’s Eye, signed by both authors. 🙂 )
mkeith54: hiu bill
DenvToday: I had no idea that RAH was an editor on Mote. I must re-read it now, look for his touch.
PrinceOfBaja has entered the room.
labert8 has entered the room.
aggirlj: Hi Steve
pixelmeow: hi, both of you!
BJ Maranta: Howdy Steve
OscagneTX: howdy, yall.
TreetopAngelRN2: Hi Steve!
BPRAL22169: Oh, yes — there’s a 60+ page letter to Niven and Pournelle
AGplusone: he wasn’t … he just made a ‘few suggestions’ helpful ones
jilyd: And, of coourse, you can’t miss teh tribute to Robert and Ginny in Footfall.
Sarah Hoyt: [Wildly off topic. Pixel pushed the laptop off the desk onto my husband’s lap. So he’s typing on his lap.]
jilyd: Oh, good, you made it, Steve.
pixelmeow: No I did *not*, Sarah.
AGplusone: Hi, Steve
pixelmeow: (used to have a kitty by that name, also)
AGplusone: Labert! Wow! real ltnc
pixelmeow: Nice to see everyone tonight.
Sarah Hoyt: The cat, pixelmeow, the cat.
TreetopAngelRN2: there be gobs of us!
labert8: Hello all.
BPRAL22169: David, are we expecting Robert James?
pixelmeow: long time no see, indeed, labert.
jilyd: Good to meet you, labert.
BPRAL22169: There are already gobs of us!
aggirlj:is waiting for her.
BJ Maranta: But the maintenance on a stable quantum singularity is just a total pain, Bill
Musiquelle26: had an interruption to bedtime…seems one of my girls acquired treasure that was not hers
Sarah Hoyt: YES! Tertius.
SubCrid Death: Perhaps borrow the quantum black hole from Niven’s “The Borderlands of Sol”, BP? 🙂
mkeith54: a question if I may, Can any one tell me where Bulter MO is? I live in Missouri and I can’t find it on a map
BPRAL22169: But you pair them up and let them take care of each other!
pixelmeow: I have to put Heather to bed…
Sarah Hoyt: That’s where I want to go when I die.
pixelmeow: she’s standing here waiting…
BJ Maranta: Heather says g’nite to Heather, Pix!
AGplusone: How do you get to Butler
labert8: Kiss her for us, Pix
BRSTAHL: Say hello to Heather from me
AGplusone: Nice Heinlein memorial library there.
Musiquelle26: g’nite Heather!
Reilloc: Butler’s south of Kansas City about 25 miles on US71
PrinceOfBaja: Hi folks – was out for a minute there, paying bills:-(
pixelmeow: she says “hi”, and “who’s Heather???”
TreetopAngelRN2: G’Night Hugs, for Heather
BPRAL22169: 25? I thought more like 60
AGplusone: KC a good object for that obit
pixelmeow: back in a few.
DenvToday: See you then 🙂
Dehede011: There is a highway south of KC to Springfield. Follow that on the map
AGplusone: food thread next ….
mkeith54: Thanks, couldn’t find on SA9 Have it now
AGplusone: then gun thread
BPRAL22169: You have to be very careful abut the county roads in Missouri — they double up on the numbers; it’s very confusing.
PrinceOfBaja has left the room.
labert8: You mean gun threads haven’t faded away ??
TreetopAngelRN2: No way!
Musiquelle26: No Labert, they’ve not
AGplusone: well, hated to mention them … but ….
mkeith54: tell me about our country road has two names and two numbers
Musiquelle26: btw, long time no see
OscagneTX: I haven’t seen a gun thread in months.
AGplusone: we haven’t had a spanking thread in a while
labert8: they’ve a life of their own AG, ignoring them doesn’t help
BRSTAHL: They almost always show up as crossposts.
TreetopAngelRN2: Oh, kinky
jilyd: Yeah, but food never dies.
BJ Maranta: Yeah, but the stuff that grows off it in the back of the fridge… yuck
OscagneTX: I threatened Steph with a kitten-whipping… does that count?
TreetopAngelRN2: since food is essential for life…no wonder there is an interest in it!
DenvToday: A fridge is where you keep leftover until they grow fuzz.
Musiquelle26: I think that would fall under ultra kinky
AGplusone: We could always get back into polymorphic perversity …
aggirlj: Oh gawd, get the dictionery.
AGplusone: and, yuck, incest
jilyd: For the ones who are such good housekeepers tehy chill their lfteovers before throwing them away?
Musiquelle26: My leftovers go outside to the neighborhood scavengers…about eight homeless cats
TreetopAngelRN2: I keep the leftovers until they don’t resemble food
labert8: Speaking of incest, guess who’s teaghing Time Enuf this semester?
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DenvToday: Mus, excellent!
jilyd: Teaching where?
SubCrid Death: Hmm… is there any way to adjust the name colors in the chat output? The yellows are kinda hard to follow, for me.
labert8: an independant study course. Sophomore level, one student.
DenvToday: Sub, I don’t think so.
aggirlj: You’re getting yellows?
Musiquelle26: it’s practical, Denv. we haul our garbage, and if I don’t throw food away, it does not stink so bad, plus the cats don’t get terribly thin
OscagneTX: I don’t see any yellow… but don’t encourage ’em. %^)
DenvToday: lol Mus. Practical is good!
AGplusone: Naw, you’re stuck. AOL razzle dazzle. On IBMs. On Macs it’s just blue and red. I’m read. Youse guys is all blue.
jilyd: And also, Steph, feeding them does not cut back on their mousing, just keeps tehm in a closer range.
SubCrid Death: labert8 and OscagoneTX are both showing up in yellow
BJ Maranta: Not on iChat, David
AGplusone: That’s true.
SubCrid Death: (Oldish Windows AIM client)
OscagneTX: how about now?
mkeith54: get Trillian, easy to read
labert8: I have no idea if trhe yeloow is me or not. Haven’t used aim since last here about a year ago.
AGplusone: Upgrade. Maybe they got rid of that nonsense.
SubCrid Death: Still shows yellow. Just the name and timestamp, though.
Musiquelle26: I’m trying to decide if I should start separating out the biodegradables myself to burn…my area has no recylcing place anymore except for metals
OscagneTX: hm. I changed my font color to black… but I was already seeing it in black. Don’t know what else to do.
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BJ Maranta: WB, Sarah
jilyd: Brian is yellow for me. I think AIM assigns the colors as they sign on, after you are signed on. ONly way to change it is sign off and back on, I htink.
BRSTAHL: I get Brian in yellow, and different colors for everyone else
BJ Maranta: Hmmm… dat’s weird
DenvToday: Mus, would it work for Mulch?
aggirlj: Gee David, we don’t seem to have these probs, how come?
Sarah Hoyt: Sorry, I think the AIM hates me.
OscagneTX: everyone but me is blue, and I’m red on mine.
Sarah Hoyt: Everyone is really nice pastel colors.
jilyd: It’s not the body of teh post, just teh screen name.
aggirlj: That’s my color coes.
DenvToday: Sarah, hate it back. It doesn’t help, but it’s satisfying.
labert8: I see rainbows. . .
AGplusone: Well, AOL figures IBM windows users are impressed by color. [platfom wars!]
Sarah Hoyt: Kind of like seen through a cat’s eyes.
Musiquelle26: that’s a good idea…been thinking about getting a shredder or building a compost bin
Sarah Hoyt: Jane is green.
DenvToday: Compost, I guess. Not mulch.
labert8: but that’s a personal problem
AGplusone: Back to Ginny. Need another Ginny story!
OscagneTX: BWA HA HA!
Musiquelle26: yes, we do
mkeith54: Mac users are used to just two colors
Sarah Hoyt: Yes.
DavidWrightSr: The colors of everyone else is randomly assigned, at least on AIM 4.10.
BJ Maranta: Easy, mketih
SubCrid Death: Text itself is black, baring specialized formatting, like E’s use of purple (?) text.
BJ Maranta: or mkeith…
BJ Maranta: 🙂
Sarah Hoyt: Ginny story.
mkeith54: it’s Mike
jilyd: GInny and I were talking one morning, and I told her about the tiny little church choir I spend some time with.
Sarah Hoyt: Need one.
TreetopAngelRN2: Purple is E! She is a purple kind of person
BJ Maranta: K
AGplusone: We use blue for you good guys. Me, I’m red to me. Puts everything in proper perspective.
Musiquelle26: I always tried to make sure my text was black, bold, and larger font if Ginny was on
SubCrid Death: AIM 4.7.2 here
aggirlj: ga Dee
OscagneTX: How about someone tell a Ginny story?
jilyd: They don;t read music, and a lot of what they do is not in teh hymnal, learned by ear. It is a challenge trying to learn to accompany them. I mentioned that there was a lot new for me, but it is fun.
BRSTAHL: E! your text is purple, but your name is pink
AGplusone: lives purple prose life, eh, …. when the elk in Montana are smaller than buffalos?
labert8: Here’s a Ginny brief . . . the first time I was chatting and it was revealed to me who X was (she was anonymous then). . .
Sarah Hoyt: I tried to make my text large but she told me she didn’t need it THAT large.
AGplusone: /ga, labert
Sarah Hoyt: go.
jilyd: Ginny said she thought I must find fun in everything I do. I think she was porjecting her own joie de vivre.
aggirlj: Yeah, good advice, ‘swhat I try too.
Sarah Hoyt: Yep.
labert8: I don’t think I managed another comment that night. Silly, as later chats showed her to be wonderfully generous in conversation, and fun to listento.
AGplusone: But she did find fun. In everything. Even talking about the little wax candies they used to sell in corner candy stores to kids.
OscagneTX: wax candies or candles?
TreetopAngelRN2: That’s cause Ginny loved people
Sarah Hoyt: She was fun. And interesting. And amazingly well read.
Musiquelle26: Hey, I knew wax lips and the candy cola bottles made of wax…
AGplusone: How you bought one, sipped a little. Pressed the wax back togher and put it in your pocket …
Musiquelle26: loved ’em
jilyd: That’s what I mean, AG. She found fyun in everything.
AGplusone: yeah, them, Steph
BPRAL22169: That came up in a conversation of mine with her, too — wax lips. I ran away from home when I was 4 to get some of those.
Musiquelle26: some small stores in the rural south never went away from them, apparently
labert8: I absolutely loved the story about the morning chats with the howework-less student.
Sarah Hoyt: 🙂 — running away from home for wax lips.
aggirlj: They still make ’em.
jilyd: I remember those. Going to the Ben Franklin 5 & 10.
AGplusone: Joel Rosenberg’d daughter, “JudyJediJudy!”
labert8: Sounded so much like her to apologize and then continue while coaching on the impotance of school.
AGplusone: Great handle she used.
DenvToday: Oh my…blast from the past. The Ben Franklin five and dime. I spent half of my childhood there.
Musiquelle26: But then, I grew up in the summers at a tiny pitstop in Mississippi’s history…sold rock candy and the oldfashioned candy sticks
Sarah Hoyt: Well it reminded me — I got late to pick up Robert from swimming and I honestly didn’t think, when he whined at me, I said, “I was talking on AIM with Mrs. Heinlein and I didn’t want to tell her I had to go.”
Sarah Hoyt: Total silence in the pool waiting room.
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Sarah Hoyt: Ended up a mini-Heinlein fan meeting.
Sarah Hoyt: Short Heinlein fans.
BJ Maranta: LOL Sarah
AGplusone: Ginny used to talk about the books they had availble to kids when she grew up. She read all the boys ones.
Sarah Hoyt: No. Really.
RMLWJ1: Good evening.
BJ Maranta: ‘evening rmlwj1
Sarah Hoyt: Hi.
TreetopAngelRN2: LOL, Sarah
jilyd: Steph, I kept my large bold font as default, so I wouldn’t forget for Ginny. Sometimes startled other friends, when I forgot to turn it down.
AGplusone: girl ones bored her.
labert8: The “girls’ stories must’ve frustrated her endlessly.
RMLWJ1: Thanks for the invite, David.
aggirlj: Most of them were boring. Boy stories are more interesting.
Musiquelle26: I seem to remember her commenting on the Nancy Drew stuff once
AGplusone: Dave Wright’s great guy
jilyd: Hi, alphabet. 🙂
Sarah Hoyt: I think they had the same kind of stories when/where I girl stuff when I grew up.
AGplusone: Yes. Dont remember what she said.
AGplusone: Do you, Dee?
Sarah Hoyt: They were rather nauseating. So I read “Boy club adventures.”
DavidWrightSr: Ah Gee. Blush!
jilyd: Don’t remember seeing any comments about that, AG.
AGplusone: my impression was she sorta liked Nancy
TreetopAngelRN2: Read boy stories, too!
AGplusone: drove cars, had adventures, and all that
Musiquelle26: I seem to remember her commenting on them taking the boy formula and running with it
AGplusone: much better than most she felt
Musiquelle26: I played with GI Joe, so I had little use for girl stuff in anything
aggirlj: Well Nancy didn’t play with dolls either.
Musiquelle26: was stunned to learn that A C Crispin was a woman.
Musiquelle26: I read a lot of her stuff before I knew that
labert8: Nancy didn’t play by the ‘social’ rules. Not shy and demure. Had a touch of Poddy in her.
AGplusone: Reporter asked me today. Do you think she was an unusual woman, with a chemistry degree, and working in the late 30s …. talk about a leading question, LN!
jilyd: I would have loved to see Robert write some girls’ stories in more recent times. He ouwld have set up some great role models, I’ll bet.
TreetopAngelRN2: I agree
jilyd: Course, I would love to have Robert still writing, period!
TreetopAngelRN2: Girls who could think for themselves…
Musiquelle26: I think the heroine in Emergence by David Palmer was influenced by Poddy and Friday
OscagneTX: Thank you, Grundy Editor-lady. 🙁
Sarah Hoyt: I’m sure Robert is still writing.
jilyd: I tired to get Ginny to didtate some of her memoirs. She said after Grumbles, she would never touch writing again.
Sarah Hoyt: It’s just we can’t get the stuff.
AGplusone: I actually liked Puddin’ when she got revenge in the story that Jeane and Ed mentioned … the one where the college girls pick on the foreign girl because she’s different.
DenvToday: I’ve seen very odd reactions to RAH’s female characters. They were smart, independent, as good or better than men in every way…yet still some saw him as sexist because the women didn’t resent men.
AGplusone: Puddin’ was a sweet bright young lady and by the time she got to college, very clever and vengeful when she saw a wrong.
SageMerlin: Okay, folks. I have to drop out to …no I don’t. Just thought of another way to do this.
AGplusone: Her knife was very sharp.
BJ Maranta: RAH coud’ve written girls storys under the pseudonym of Roberta Heinlein…
OscagneTX: The fem character I like (and can’t remember name) is the young lady who liked to fly in Luna.
Sarah Hoyt: I have crazy pseudo feminist female acquaintances who insist Heinlein was sexist and never read any of hte books… which goes to prove…
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DenvToday: Sage, good to have seen you.
AGplusone: Hi, Dave.
BJ Maranta: Howdy, Djinn
TreetopAngelRN2: I guess they haven’t discovered the smart independent women don’t have to resent men.
Musiquelle26: The Menace from Earht?
QinJingYou: HI everyone
jilyd: Not exactly because the don’t resent men. Sometimes I get a little uncomfortable with the “bat teh baby blue at my hero and manage him by making him think it’s his own idea” bit, myself.
AGplusone: Nice to see you Alan. Get some rest.
OscagneTX: yeah, Holly.
aggirlj: Trying to get the right phrasing E, you manged to.
jilyd: Hi, djinn.
SageMerlin: Well, I have been working and reading along.
DenvToday: Yep, Tree. Very strange.
Sarah Hoyt: Bye ALan. Drop by anytime.
AGplusone: Yes, that one, Steph. Oz’s favorite story. Imagine, “Flying!”
BJ Maranta: See ya, Alan
aggirlj: See you Alan.
AGplusone: used to have dreams about being able to do that
aggirlj: Thanks for mail workiing on stuff.
pixelmeow: I still have flying dreams, sometimes…
pixelmeow: it’s wonderful…
Sarah Hoyt: Um… the day before my wedding my mom told me her secret for a happy marriage — make him think it’s his idea.
aggirlj: Haven’t had one in a long time.
Sarah Hoyt: Works.
SageMerlin: I’m not leaving quite yet.
DenvToday: You mom was wise.
aggirlj: Oh good.
OscagneTX: The hell of it is… flying would be PLAUSIBLE. But we don’t have anyting other than refuse on the moon.
labert8: You mean it wasn’t my idea . . . ?
AGplusone: What’s the other way of doing it then, Alan?
pixelmeow: 🙂 labert
Sarah Hoyt: … Sorry, probably no.
SageMerlin: I logged onto AOL.com
Sarah Hoyt: Still works.
SageMerlin: My email server is down and i had to direct all my rate locks to my aol account
AGplusone: Ah, go to AIm, dump AOL, and I’ll invite you back in.
SageMerlin: Don;t have to. IT worked.
TreetopAngelRN2: secret to a happy marriage…marry your best friend…
Sarah Hoyt: When I read the “if you tell a man he’s seven feet tall” thing in Glory road, I was fourteen and I decided to experiment….
Sarah Hoyt: Well, that works, too.
BJ Maranta: That’s what I did, E!
Sarah Hoyt: I was an evil girl.
BJ Maranta: Lol, Sarah
AGplusone: secret to a sane marriage: marry your best friend … if she aint’, you’re doomed.
SageMerlin: Sarah….now really. What would your mother say
jilyd: Yeah, sarah, but sometimes the line between bing loving and being manipulative doesn’t seem so clear.
DenvToday: Sarah, you’re a real “Star”
OscagneTX: Is that the only statistic you experimented with?
Sarah Hoyt: She thought it was amusing.
Sarah Hoyt: Um… and whose business would THAT be?
Sarah Hoyt: :-[
pixelmeow: I married my best friend, too…
Sarah Hoyt: Me too.
Sarah Hoyt: Seventeen years now.
AGplusone: my ‘friends’ made it easy for me, “You mean you’re marrying a Filipino girl, David? You can’t do that! It’ll hurt your career, and imagine wha your children will look like.” dumb shits.
jilyd: I appreciated Maureen’s always saying Thank you. Men never seem entirely sure that it is a gift to us, too.
AGplusone: Sorry .. squats
BJ Maranta: Lol, David
Sarah Hoyt: BUT — okay — don’t tell him I said this, but he is, oh, shoot, name amenesia, D.T.’s dad. He NEEDS managing at times.
pixelmeow: *love* that book.
Sarah Hoyt: He’s not that bad. It’s a mathematician thing.
Sarah Hoyt: The world MUST make sense.
Sarah Hoyt: Even when it doesn’t.
BJ Maranta: The
BJ Maranta: oops
TreetopAngelRN2: that’s why I married a baker…
labert8: only sometimes. don’t get me wrong, if I had to live in a book, number might be it.
Sarah Hoyt: I picked up the thank you thing. ANother way to freak men out.
BJ Maranta: The “don’t bother me with the fire alarm, I’m working on a formula” thing.
jilyd: If I were married to a baker, I would not be able to walk through the door.
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pixelmeow: I can get that way with an algorithm…
Sarah Hoyt: It IS exactly like the fire alarm thing.
TreetopAngelRN2: he does have nice buns…
pixelmeow: your hubby?
BJ Maranta: OUCH, E!
Sarah Hoyt: The baker.
jilyd: Her baker husband.
pixelmeow: then mine must be a baker too…
Sarah Hoyt: Mine three.
pixelmeow: awww, all the men are blushing…
BJ Maranta: E, that almost cost Carol a Keyboard
mkeith54: TTA you owe 1 keyboard, one monitor and a laptop
TreetopAngelRN2: all for a bun joke
jilyd: My father had a bakery, but his speciality was cake decorating. I still have his professional tips and nails, but I am no good at using them.
pixelmeow: ‘prentice needs to take up some of this cleaning!!!
BJ Maranta: I used to work in a bakery
AGplusone: Ginny story, c’on. Someone tell one.
aggirlj: Righto, more drinks, how ’bout a toast.
Musiquelle26: go for it
DenvToday: Icing tastes better when you dip your finger in the bowl. It’s okay on the cake…but finger dipping is better.
AGplusone: Ginny was once very embarrassed.
aggirlj: To a woman I only new by name but who I know was so loved here, to Ginny and Robert holding hands!
pixelmeow: gurgle *crash*
Sarah Hoyt: Quaff — the shirt is getting soaked.
BJ Maranta: Hear Hear, Jane; *Clink* *SMASH*
TreetopAngelRN2: *clink* *crash*
AGplusone: Her eyes were really getting back last spring when she came back out of the hospital. Couldn’t see that Snowy had fleas. Laura Haywood came by and took the cat immediaely to the vet. Ginny said, “I’ couldn’t see it.” What do I do?
aggirlj: I’ll go open the trough, move the gate, where’s the broom.
pixelmeow: hey, who hid the broom???
Musiquelle26: I got the broom…I’m a witch by all accounts anyway
AGplusone: Introduced her to Advantage. She nearly kissed me after it worked.
pixelmeow: I bet, David.
AGplusone: She was so upset she could tell Snowy had them.
Sarah Hoyt: It works? In the south?
pixelmeow: fleas are a difficult thing to live with…
BJ Maranta: 🙂 David
Sarah Hoyt: Good work, David.
aggirlj: We thankfully don’t have fleas at this altitude and cold.
AGplusone: Ginny said it did. Snowy was an inside cat. Never let him out. Best he could get to was garage.
jilyd: White animals attract more fleas than dark ones, too.
Sarah Hoyt: Oh, yeah. Very thankful.
Musiquelle26: I’ve never noticed that, D
TreetopAngelRN2: I’m glad you don’t have fleas, too, Jane!
BPRAL22169: He wanted to be out — but the neighbors complained at FL
Sarah Hoyt: Otherwise that plague around here would be epidemic, instead of endemic.
aggirlj: To E
TreetopAngelRN2: she said “we”
Sarah Hoyt: ‘s okay. We’ll check when we meet her tomorrow. BEFORE she gets near our cats.
Sarah Hoyt: [Sarah ducks from slap with dead fish]
AGplusone: Front claws removed so he didn’t destroy all the furniture and furnishings. You know those photo on Dennis’ website of Snowy with the pillows on the couch. She embroided them all.
pixelmeow: it always gets back to food, doesn’t it…
AGplusone: Before her eyes when in the can.
aggirlj: Germans do know how to embroider.
aggirlj: Both sides are pefect.
BPRAL22169: Yes — crewel work, I think, while Robert was in the hospital. They’re all optical illusions.
Sarah Hoyt: They taught me to do that in school. Not German, though.
AGplusone: Women of our mother’s generation know how to embroider. They just pretend they don’t, like our mother, Jane.
Sarah Hoyt: I mean, both sides perfect.
aggirlj: Lots of Germans in Co. Sprgs. good friend showed me some of her stuff. Hmmmmm.
AGplusone: Lest they be put to work doing it.
BJ Maranta: LOL, David
pixelmeow: I’d like to see them, Bill…
Musiquelle26: I tried embroidery
Sarah Hoyt: Well, personaly, I grew up in the early twentieth century — Portugal is a few years out of phase — and I had grades in it. In school. Counted as much as math.
Musiquelle26: I’m not patient enough
TreetopAngelRN2: I tried embroidery, too…don’t tell jokes very well
aggirlj: Neither am I, you should see my knitting. Fabulous designs but curling mightly.
Musiquelle26: My one art was painting miniatures.
jilyd: What your mother’s gen? I can embroider, crochet, knit, sew. I don’t much, anymore, but I can. Confess I never could get tatting down. And I am NOT your mother’s generation.
Sarah Hoyt: I am undercover, though. I haven’t told anyone I can embroider. I do crochet. Very badly.
Musiquelle26: Now my hands shake badly when I try to do such fine detailing
BJ Maranta: That’s something I really want to get back into, Steph
AGplusone: Do we know, Bill, who painted that painting of the Heinlein’s home at the Santa Cruz library?
BJ Maranta: Haven’t done it in a long time… too long
pixelmeow: well, all, I must get some sleep; think I may be getting sick…
TreetopAngelRN2: knitting, embroidery, crocheting…would rather put my eyes out!
BJ Maranta: Nite, Pix
DenvToday: Pixel, hope you feel better.
Musiquelle26: I learned the womanly arts (with threads) from a great-great aunt
Sarah Hoyt: There’s something going around. Go rest.
aggirlj: Nite Teresa.
pixelmeow: will we get together again like this saturday?
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Pix! Take care of yourself
pixelmeow: thanks, all. 🙂
mkeith54: nite pixel
BRSTAHL: Good night
aggirlj: Think it’s is scheduled.
Dehede011: You know she also canned her own Quince Jelly
AGplusone: Heinlein’s birthplace someone (my wife, who is omnicient) told me it was?
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BJ Maranta: Here, or in the Lanai
Musiquelle26: the aunt was 82 when she passed in 88 or 89
aggirlj: Hellow there.
pjscott100: Hi all
pixelmeow: well,I’ll be in the lanai much of the time anyway,
AGplusone: Lensmen in the room. Stash the dope.
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pixelmeow: but just don’t feel well.
aggirlj: Hello . . damn.
TreetopAngelRN2: My womanly art was learning how to make soap and cook.
KimKinnison12: sorry to be late..been struggling with computer problems all evenig..but I do want to pay my respects
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KimKinnison12: (sniff..sniff) ok..who’s got the thionite
Musiquelle26: An EE Doc Smith fan?
BJ Maranta: Folks, I have to head out also.
AGplusone: see you, Brian.
Sarah Hoyt: Robert is learning to cook. Also, getting interested in girls. Are those two linked in boys, also?
aggirlj: By Bro, right?
BJ Maranta: I may be back later, if not, then see ya around some other time
DenvToday: I’m sure we’ll have a few more toasts, Kim.
Sarah Hoyt: By.
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Brian!
jilyd: One thing Ginny missed a lot while she was so down in health was not being able to do her own cooking. Illnes had affected her ability to taste, for one thing, but her helpers didn’t cook the way she did.
BRSTAHL: Good night
AGplusone: come back when we talk about books, sometime
QinJingYou: bye Brian
DenvToday: Night Brian
Musiquelle26: I moved to Fayettenam and got excited to find they had an E. E. Smith High School
Musiquelle26: nite Brian
KimKinnison12: sure Mus..isn’t everybody? hehe
pjscott100: I regret I have to get going, but just wanted to pop in and say Hi. Miss y’all. I had such a good time in the Lanai the other night.
BJ Maranta: For sure, Monsieur Argent
AGplusone: She missed her beds of roses!
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AGplusone: And reading!
aggirlj: Come back soon too.
QinJingYou: See ya Peter!
Musiquelle26: turned out NC had a politician by that name, and it was not for the Doc
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Peter
jilyd: She missed painting, too.
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KimKinnison12: heh..too bad
DavidWrightSr: Ginny told me that the thing she missed the most, living in California and Florida, was not being able to see the mountains.
jilyd: She painted in wotercolour, before her eyes gave out.
Dehede011: I hadn’t realized she painted
Musiquelle26: Watercolours were what convinced me never to be an artist
Sarah Hoyt: You know, we drive by their house, when we take the kids to the zoo. The water pools are empty and cracking. 🙁
TreetopAngelRN2: I would die without my mountains….and SNOW!
AGplusone: Ginny story. One thanksgiving I got a case of the quaints. Never imagined Ginny was reading the newsgroup. Every one was posting “Happy Turkey Day” yadda yaddd yadda
Musiquelle26: so my hat is off to her
jilyd: She was an amazing mix of modern woman ahead of her time, and the skills of a Victorian lady.
Dehede011: Sarah is that in Co. or Calif??
jilyd: GA, AG.
Sarah Hoyt: Colorado.
aggirlj: Okay, lesson here, enjoy life, do as much as you can. Toast to the unbelievable energy and embrace it.
Dehede011: Thank you
KimKinnison12: Formal courtesy was always prominent in RAH’s writing..guess we know who reinforced the trend
Sarah Hoyt: Clink.
Sarah Hoyt: It was for sale when we were looking for houses, but it was 100 k out of our range.
AGplusone: So I posted a little story about Thanksgiving 1951 at the Chosin Reservoir. Marines. Frozen turkeys, attack across the ice. Mentioned Pat Frank’s Hold back the night.
mkeith54: gulp, clink… good thing I don’t have to work tomorrow
Dehede011: That is what always amazed me about the Heinleins. The hard work they put in on ordinary things
Sarah Hoyt: Not sure I could live there, anyway. I’d have been tiptoeing through the rooms, afraid of disturbing some past echo.
Sarah Hoyt: Yes.
DenvToday: Dave, were you there?
Sarah Hoyt: Go, Dave. More.
AGplusone: Got a letter out of the blue. Said I’m Ginny. Read your post. Have a hardbound copy of Hold Back the Night. Can’t read it any more. Would you like it?
Sarah Hoyt: Oh, good Lord.
AGplusone: hell no. I was nine in 51
Musiquelle26: ha…age pinned down :_)
aggirlj: And you said . . . .
jilyd: Here’s to a lady of incredible generousity of spirit.
Sarah Hoyt: Do you know what I would give for ONE book with the Heinlein ex-libris?
Sarah Hoyt: Hear, hear.
Sarah Hoyt: Clink.
AGplusone: The boy who babysat us out at our Aunt Bess’s, Albert Siers, or Sears was there. He never came home. Mentioned him in the post.
AGplusone: Missing in action. sicne 1951
Dehede011: I have one book Ex Libris
Sarah Hoyt: David, that’s why you remind me of my grandfather. You’re not that old — you’re the age I remember him at.
SubCrid Death: *clink, gulp, crash* (belatedly)
Sarah Hoyt: When I was three or so.
Sarah Hoyt: You never notice the people you love aging…
Musiquelle26: The two Davids are the Uncles that fostered my “bad” taste in literature!
TreetopAngelRN2: unless you live far away and don’t see them often…
Musiquelle26: and then it hits like a ton of bricks
AGplusone: So I have a drink for Albert Sears, USMCR, who never grew old enough to have a drink in Ohio. He was eighteen. In 1951.
aggirlj: And that too, but you blink and see them over again as they we.
Sarah Hoyt: Yeah, that too. My dad.
Musiquelle26: hear, hear
AGplusone: Every Thanksgiving. Ginny liked it.
OscagneTX: Later, folks. Hoist one for me.
Musiquelle26: ciao, Osc
DenvToday: Here’s to Sears!
aggirlj: See you Osc.
jilyd: Bye, Osc.
DenvToday: Bye Osc
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Osc!
AGplusone: Real Chicken Soup story.
BRSTAHL: Good night
labert8: later Oscar
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AGplusone: Nite Osc.
jilyd: To Sears.
BRSTAHL: To Sears
TreetopAngelRN2: To Sears
aggirlj: To Sears.
Sarah Hoyt: To Sears.
Sarah Hoyt: Crash.
mkeith54: To Sear Ho YA!
AGplusone: a little early this year, Albert …
labert8: An extra one won’t hurt
aggirlj: Okay, I’ve been very good E. Been drinking Pepsi, now time to get the GM.
Sarah Hoyt: I need to go put the kids to bed. They’ll read till eleven, but we have to pretend…
Musiquelle26: I have to stick to non-alkies
DenvToday: There ya go!
Sarah Hoyt: Bye guys.
TreetopAngelRN2: Go for it Jane!
Sarah Hoyt: It’s been good.
Musiquelle26: later, Sarah
AGplusone: But I have a copy of Hold Back the Night in my shelves, signed, Ginny Heinlein, November 1999.
Sarah Hoyt: See you tomorrow, Jane.
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Sarah!
DenvToday: Night Sarah. Good to see you tonight.
mkeith54: bu\ye Sarah
jilyd: Goodnoght, Sarah.
aggirlj: Night Sarah, tomorrow.
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BRSTAHL: Good Night
jilyd: I’m calling it a night, too. David, are you logging?
DavidWrightSr: Got it
BRSTAHL: I’ve got to take off now, but a final toast, courtesy of Jubal Harshaw, “Here’s to our noble selves, there’s damned few of us left.”
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Dee!
AGplusone: That was how she really disclosed to me that she had been lurking the Heinlein chats.
aggirlj: Nite Dee.
mkeith54: Hear Hear!
DavidWrightSr: And one less now!
DenvToday: Excellent toast!
TreetopAngelRN2: Good one Bryan! and Good night!
jilyd: Aye, Biran. Goodnight.
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AGplusone: “And most of us are dead, Byran.”
Musiquelle26: I believe I was made aware of who she was by one of you two
Dehede011: Dave, I thought I had told you I had introduced her to the Heinlein chats
AGplusone: click, und crash.
labert8: Thay did the same to me Musiq
labert8: tongue tied me right quick.
Dehede011: I remember telling her who you were and describing your efforts for RAH
BPRAL22169: She was very wary until she found out we are mostly harmless, so she didn’t want us spreading it around indiscriminately.
AGplusone: Nope. she anticipated the introduction, Ron.
Musiquelle26: I was surprised, asked Pop if he knew, but I was already more involved than he in the group by then
AGplusone: You just conned her (or Bill conned her) or you both connned her into lurking.
Dehede011: Okay, so she moved more quickly than I thought
TreetopAngelRN2: “mostly” harmless…
aggirlj: Right E.
Musiquelle26: I about had a fit the first time crybaby insulted her in ones of his mindless drivels
Dehede011: No, I remember the lurking but I also remember letting her know who you were and that you were a good guy
aggirlj: Okay, only story I have . . . short.
AGplusone: The post did it. As I said, I got a case of the quaints that Thanksgiving.
labert8: She was too tall for someone as small as crybaby to fluster, I’m sure.
aggirlj: First time I read a thread with her sign on didn’t know until finally reading, mouth hanging open.
Dehede011: You too?
Dehede011: Hey guys, how tall was she?
aggirlj: Sure you all had same first time experience, but had to tell it.
labert8: metaphorically, that is
AGplusone: At least 5′ 10″ is my impression.
Musiquelle26: model height
Dehede011: Okay, I was always curious. How about RAH
TreetopAngelRN2: I had to call Charlie in to look the first time I saw Ginny post…like I couldn’t believe my own eyes.
AGplusone: Tall graceful woman.
SubCrid Death: I think I’m going to head off. I never knew Ginny, which kinda makes me feel a bit out of place, as it were. I, however, am going to read some Friday before I head off to bed, after finishing my current usenet post sweep.
Musiquelle26: nite Sub
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Dan!
DenvToday: Nighters Sub
aggirlj: For some reason I see her smaller.
AGplusone: wish you had
labert8: Night, enjoy
SubCrid Death: G’night, all
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Dehede011: How about RAH, how tall was he?
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BPRAL22169: 6’ even
Dehede011: Thanks Bill
Musiquelle26: Small packages have dynamite, Silver girl?
aggirlj: Alright, I’m going to look at those pictures again.
AGplusone: I think we all did. Yes, she had some influence on Robert’s writing … not to turn him into a fascist, but surely to make him write strong, decent lovely and atttractive women
aggirlj: Correct Steph.
DenvToday: I just want to know how the heck he trimmed that moustache. Seems to me it would take a straight razor.
Dehede011: Let me throw out something she and I discussed
AGplusone: Asimov writes like a little jealous man
AGplusone: Not only about Ginny but Leslyn
Dehede011: A lot of sailors during my era carried a straight razor to trim with
Dehede011: It seems to me that he wrote Ginny as his model long before he met Ginny
DenvToday: Also comes in handy in bar fights. lol
Musiquelle26: Like he met his dream girl?
Dehede011: I think so
KimKinnison12: who really cares what Mr. ‘i’m SO full of myself’ Asimov thought about much of anything?
AGplusone: My daddy used a straight razor, had one just like that, but in later years he used a standard Gillette.
AGplusone: Did the same thing.
Dehede011: I discussed that with Ginny. She admited he used her for a model but had no opinion about his pre-Ginny stories
BPRAL22169: I don’t think safety razors really became popular until the 1950’s.
AGplusone: Dad was born in ’07 too
Dehede011: No, safety razors go back at least another 10 years
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DenvToday: Disappointing about Asimov. I think the first sf I ever read was the Foundation Trilogy. I found the RAH juveniles shortly thereafter.
BPRAL22169: Yes, they were introduced in the 30’s, but theydidn’t really catch on immediately.
AGplusone: right, after ’50 when I pid attention, but there still was that straight razor and the pig bristles brush in the cabinet.
KimKinnison12: i wonder if you put asimov, clark and ellison in the same room whether the egos would reach critical mass
Musiquelle26: I had trouble reading Asimov, but enjoyed the lectures our Talented and Gifted class got hold of
aggirlj: Ginny seems to be the kind who rarely looked back only forward. Maybein later years, as she got older, we all will be looking back then.
Dehede011: Asimov wasn’t a bad guy in a way but he didn’t have the mind to be RAH IMHO
Musiquelle26: he spoke well on theoretical science
BPRAL22169: Asimov and Ellison were frequently in the same room — they had dissing contests at conventions.
KimKinnison12: obviously a subcritical mass without clark
Musiquelle26: I have never been fond of Ellison
DenvToday: I’ve seen Ellison in interviews. Always struck me as obnoxious.
Dehede011: I have an acquaintance that does a hilarious imitation of Asimov dising Ellison
Musiquelle26: He torqued me the first time I met him, and I never got past that despite his contribution to televised SF
BPRAL22169: He is also one of the all-time great SF writers . . .
KimKinnison12: ellison’s weakness is his pathological hate for a happy ending heh
Dehede011: Ellison or Asimov??
DenvToday: In my experience, political liberals like Asimov and Ellison have contempt for anyone who doesn’t agree with them politically.
BPRAL22169: I was speaking of ellison at that moment.
Musiquelle26: Ellison managed to write off every sub-genre of SF in one speech, later written into a foreword, as he praised Doctor Who.
KimKinnison12: bpral..for gods sake dont call him a SciFi writer..he’ll take a swing
Dehede011: Thank you, I have never been turned on by one of his stories
Cmaj7Dmin7: A Boy and His Dog is set in Topeka
Cmaj7Dmin7: The dog’s not a setter, though.
BPRAL22169: He’s mellowd a bit since the glory days of the New Wave — somethign else non-existent.
BPRAL22169: But I think “One Life Furnished in Early Poverty” is one of the finest short stories ever written in SF.
Musiquelle26: My most memorable meeting with a Writer had to have been meeting Roger Zelazny
KimKinnison12: Ellison wrote some truely depressing new Outer Limits episodes.. :/
Musiquelle26: can’t think of a straight SF one that has made a good impression in person
TreetopAngelRN2: Mine was meeting Leonard Nimoy
Dehede011: Steph, my son would idolize you for meeting Zelazny
Musiquelle26: He wrote City On the Edge of Forever for Star Trek, yes?
TreetopAngelRN2: His poetry…
KimKinnison12: ya musiquelle
Musiquelle26: I met him 3 years before he passed
aggirlj: Methinks I must swoop M’lords and Ladies. Must away to the dungeon,wherst I whilst count the gold for mine clients and produce records.
Musiquelle26: was going to attend a panel he was chairing at a con
Dehede011: Musiquelle, my son would probably want to shake your hand
TreetopAngelRN2: Good night Jane!
DenvToday: Take care Jane.
Musiquelle26: got there early, and this man starts asking why I am interested in writing
Dehede011: Nite Jane
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KimKinnison12: where are Mr. and Mrs. H’s gravesites? if im ever in the area i’d like to pay my respects
Musiquelle26: I talked to him for ten minutes, then he goes and takes the Prime Chair…I was spaced for the entire panel
TreetopAngelRN2: LOL Steph…awesome!
DavidWrightSr: Ginny is going to be cremated and her ashes spread in the ocean just like Robert’s
Musiquelle26: I wish I could have met RAH
KimKinnison12: doah..thats right..i forgot
DenvToday: I met James Hogan at a party when I lived in CA. Bigger than life sort of fellow.
Musiquelle26: but I had only been reading him for a year when he passed
Dehede011: I have an Uncle that is a state level politician. He walks into a dinning room early one morning and this guy asks to sit together for b’fast
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Dehede011: This was in Missouri, the man was Ex President Truman
AGplusone: Hi, I locked up. Someone look around for Randy Jost. Rjost55 I think
AGplusone: Lost the back up David
Musiquelle26: not on anymore
DavidWrightSr: I’ve still got it all
mkeith54: Pres Truman was a down to earth type of guy,
DavidWrightSr: I had a long conversation over beers with Willy Ley, when I was in college.
Dehede011: Very friendly according to my Uncle
BPRAL22169: That would have been about 1959 or so, DWSr.?
Cmaj7Dmin7: RAH died on Truman’s birthday, I think…
labert8: Folks, thanks for the evening, and the chance to remember a sterling individual; hope to “see” you all again soon.
Musiquelle26: you too, Labert
DenvToday: Night labert. Good to see you.
Dehede011: I guess Gordon D was the only one I ever met on that level
Dehede011: Nite, Labert
DenvToday: Shai! Dorsai! lol
DavidWrightSr: We talked some about Heinlein, but I can’t recall any details.
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Labert
mkeith54: This spring we’re taking the camper and going to Independence and then down to Bulter. Two very insturmental men in my life
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Musiquelle26: If you read fantasy at all, younger authors, Robert Asprin and Lynn Abbey are extrememly personable
TreetopAngelRN2: Love Asprin’s work
DenvToday: Does anybody read Eric Frank Russell anymore? I loved him as a kid.
Dehede011: When you are in Butler look for the BBQ joint that used to be on the street going through town
AGplusone: Harry the gentleman. That was long before they started “reevaluating” Truman the ‘failure’ who barely filled FDR’s shoes and had the termenity to fire The Emperor’s General.
Dehede011: Just south of the turn off to the Heinlein House
KimKinnison12: fantasy…musiquelle..my formula for personal reading happiness is ‘if there’s a sword on the cover, leave it on the shelf’ heh
Musiquelle26: I detest revisionist history
Musiquelle26: I’m an old ERB fan, so it set me up to love fantasy as much as SF
BPRAL22169: I picked up about 7 books of his recently. Saw them in a bunch together at a bookstore and grabbed them all.
AGplusone: I do too, but they’ve got one point, Steph. The ones too close to the action are sometimes blind.
Musiquelle26: Plus, I’m a gamer
Dehede011: David, According to my Uncle, Truman was a man so much who he was that that stuff would never have touched him
BPRAL22169: My copy of The Great Explosion had gone missing.
mkeith54: Harry did the right thing, I would have courtmartialed him and broke him out of the Army
mkeith54: I’ll see if it is still ther, love BBQ
TreetopAngelRN2: Gee, Steph…we should compare libraries
AGplusone: Christ! When I was a kid, Truman was a”lightweight” who never would have been president, but for the accident in Hot Springs.
DenvToday: Poor MacAurthur. His ego just wasn’t big enough.
Musiquelle26: I have actually gone so far as to track down multiple books, written in different decades, to do indepth papers on Historical Events or Persons
AGplusone: He was a scrappy fellow, lucky to beat Dewey, but that was it.
Musiquelle26: I plan to eventually catalogue mine on my website
Dehede011: Look I am a Republican and Harry was human. He beat a cold fish
DenvToday: I’m always wary of “great” political leaders. They usually gain their reputations by other people’s blood.
mkeith54: maybe not but he steped up to the plate and swung like a man. would you have wanted to make the call on the A-bomb. Remember, he knew what would happen
Dehede011: I don’t agree with Harry on anything but that guy was a Mensch
KimKinnison12: didn’t RAH have something to say about the difference between statesmen and politicians?
AGplusone: Even Ginny the Republican forever appreciated Truman.
Dehede011: I think RAH liked him too
DenvToday: Apropos of nothing, I saw a film called “The Emporer’s New Clothes” today. Wonderful film. Stars Ian Holm as Napoleon. Just had to tell somebody asbout it.
AGplusone: a lot, see To Sail Beyond the Sunset
mkeith54: I’m a hard coe republican, and I’d voted for Harry after he made the call
Dehede011: David you know that boxers often fight hard against guys they deeply respect out of the ring. True?
mkeith54: Coe= Core
BPRAL22169: Truman has come to look better and better as our leaders get worse and worse. He was the last “citizen-President.”
Musiquelle26: Ian Holm….
TreetopAngelRN2: I saw that one Denv! It was wonderful!
DenvToday: David, I memorized most of “Ulysses” after reading TSBTS.
mkeith54: Thanks, I couldn’t think of the prase
AGplusone: True. And he said, I ain’t a gonna write 500,000 letters to wives and moms saying I deeply reget …
Dehede011: Read closely the beginning of the Korean War. Harry had nary a clue
Musiquelle26: As in Fifth Element, Alien, From Hell?
DenvToday: Tree, I agree. Very funny in its way, and marvelous performances.
Dehede011: Enough politics
KimKinnison12: clean up government..drop a 20 megaton on washington..
mkeith54: agreed, fat fingers tonight
AGplusone: Well, that happens. Most don’t have a clue until it stick them in the eye. Acheson’s speech leaving Korea out of the list of what we would protect, doomed Korea, and started the war.
TreetopAngelRN2: Yes, Steph!
Dehede011: Yeah but that was only a human mistake
AGplusone: Coms saw it as a signal that we wouldn’t defend Korea
TreetopAngelRN2: Birthday boy just wandered in
mkeith54: only if you can get them all there
AGplusone: Back to Ginny, another story?
AGplusone: Another toast.
DenvToday: Hear hear!
Musiquelle26: toast, toast!
Dehede011: She was the best
AGplusone: Tell everyone what you told me when I betrayed confidence and told you about report Elizabeth.
mkeith54: To the grand dame of them all
AGplusone: To her!
DavidWrightSr: Memory Eternal!
Dehede011: GA Elizabeth
Dehede011: hear hear
TreetopAngelRN2: What did I say, David??? Put me in a spot!
AGplusone: Ginny had bedsores, miserable shit care, and no one was doing anything about it. I’m a little drunk and still mad about it.
TreetopAngelRN2: I know about that…I let David know what was going on wityh Ginny from my point of view. They also were not taking care off her pain.
BPRAL22169: I was reallysurprised at that.
Dehede011: Hospital or Retirement Hotel, David
mkeith54: I’m so mad I’m shaking.
TreetopAngelRN2: She was not being turned in bed, with a broken hip, folks need help with that.
Musiquelle26: I have been in and out of hospitals with Ebontress for years.
mkeith54: There is simply no excuse for that kind of treatment no matter where she was
Dehede011: This was in the Hospital, E
AGplusone: I was so pissed I had to check with Elizabeth before I wrote one of my really you dont want to read it letters. I wished we could have taken a collection and flown Elizabeth to Fleet Landing
Musiquelle26: I have seen excellent nursing, and I have seen nightmare nursing
AGplusone: I damned near did.
Musiquelle26: But that is making me as angry as the one who tried to dose Paula when she had not asked for pain meds
TreetopAngelRN2: I just wish I could have been there and raised some hell of my own…It’s what I do…take care of the elderly…
Musiquelle26: My hat is off to you, then!
Dehede011: Frankly that is why we need extended families. I know stories in my own family where the family did what the hospital wouldn’t
AGplusone: E! should write a book: What to do when they take your mother into the hospital; and I’ve told her so.
Musiquelle26: I helped some with my great-granma…tore me up, but at least she had human contact
BPRAL22169: Well … there is a certain extent to which Ginny had all the family she would allow.
TreetopAngelRN2: if that’s what they need, but facilities need to be called on neglect
Musiquelle26: when her other son put her in the home, she lost what little mental facility she had
TreetopAngelRN2: Maybe for my Master’s thesis
AGplusone: Christ, third degree bedsores on her heel.
AGplusone: !st degree on the back of her calves.
Dehede011: That is the part about a real family in the immediate vicinity. I had some trouble several years ago. My family stepped up, told me to go to hell, and looked out for me
TreetopAngelRN2: makes me angry!
DenvToday: Interesting point. Social Security, medicare, etc have had unforseen effects. Isolation of the elderly…sticking grandma into a nursing home…breakup of the extended family.
mkeith54: I visit my grandmother often, very often and the nursing home knows that when iI find something wrong, the whole world knows about it before I’m Done. Only took a couple of times and things changed
KimKinnison12: Denv..don’t blame it on SS and medicare..blame it on our selfishness and ‘busy’ lives
Musiquelle26: I agree Kim
Musiquelle26: in part
AGplusone: When our mother was dying Jane and Andrea my wife went over my mother with a fine tooth comb every time they say her.
DenvToday: Kim, I wasn’t really assigning blame. I was just commenting that unintended consequences happen.
AGplusone: Me, I’m chicken.
TreetopAngelRN2: I work in long term care…not everyone puts their elderly in the nursing home because they won’t take care of them…some can’t take care of them
Dehede011: True, and some have no family
Musiquelle26: I can’t take my grandmother in because my mother lives with me. They hate each other. And it tears me up because I always told her I would take care of her
BPRAL22169: People don’t seem to realize a nursing home cannot give them all the care they need.
AGplusone: yeah, imagine what happens to them … or you, when the time comes
KimKinnison12: keeping us alive well past our times isn’t helping the situation either.
TreetopAngelRN2: It’s very expensive, and the only way for the bills to get paid is to pace them in a facilkity
Musiquelle26: Instead, she has her oldest daughter to do it, but all of my Pop’s genereation argue and bicker over that detail
DenvToday: As they say, be kind to your children. Someday, they’ll decide which nursing home you’ll go to.
Musiquelle26: I hope not to outlive my usefulness…selfish of me, I guess
TreetopAngelRN2: True Bill, I can’t give all my patients the care they deserve, but I do the best I can.
Dehede011: Be kind to little boys, someday they will grow up bigger than you and remember you beat them up. LOL
Musiquelle26: If you care at all, you’re ten steps ahead of some that I see
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Sarah Hoyt: Returned.
AGplusone: Yep, still on Sarah
Sarah Hoyt: Missed the drinks.
DenvToday: Tree, it’s just not possible in any nursing home situation. They’re necessary, many have no family. But we should understand the inherent shortcomings.
Musiquelle26: the nurses that scare me here are the ones who are doing things the HMO way, like it is a big machine
BPRAL22169: I remember a boss’s wife was in a recovery home for about a year before she died — the bills would have totalled more than $1 million if he didn’t have reinsurance as well as Medicare.
TreetopAngelRN2: What the elderly need are people who WANT to work with them, not people who take the job because it’s the only one they can find…
mkeith54: Just last month my wife and I signed ourselves up for long term heath care under the DOD program for retirees. After seeing the costs for my grandmother, I couldn’t burden our son with that.
KimKinnison12: our amazing paradox..we value human live so much we take nazi like extremes to preserve it, but the quality of that life afterward is of little interest to anybody
AGplusone: And most wind up with bare medicare. And it doesn’t cover the care. They keep shiftingthem between actute and convalescent care to pay for it.
DenvToday: Tree, that’s why the family is always best. I know it’s not always possible. But it’s a shame that social pressure to keep elderly parents in your home has disappeared.
Musiquelle26: Paula’s grandmother, somewhere in her early 70s I think, privatley “sits” with elder people
Musiquelle26: she enjoys it, and has a deft touch with them… her clients have mostly been early stage Alzheimers
AGplusone: so many days in acute, it runs out, so many in convalescent, and back to acute until one excuse or another, then another cycle. Ambulances companies get rich.
TreetopAngelRN2: I know people who have been married for years, getting divorces so the healthy partner doesn’t lose the house and savings they worked for…
Dehede011: You know, public care like hospitals are probably fine if there is a family to back stop them
Musiquelle26: It’s shockingly easy for me to picture what Laz’s partner said about the old folks of Earth in Tale of the Adopted Daughter
AGplusone: Ginny was lucky. in a way, but do you know what she paid for a 24-hour keeper at minimum wage, annually.
Dehede011: ?? Steph
AGplusone: ? Figure it out.
Dehede011: Yes, I do David, it ain’t pretty
DenvToday: Dave, I happen to know. I had to have it for nearly 3 months.
TreetopAngelRN2: Lots…and that didn’t include her housing and food
Musiquelle26: The part about the old folks being denied the very right to eat, being declared dead
Musiquelle26: on Earth
Musiquelle26: We keep living longer, but we’re not setting things up to use that extra time enjoyably
AGplusone: one out of ten of those keepers were competent … a lady named Joannne was the only one Ginny could stand. So when Joanne’s relative, daughter, whatever, ran into problems, Ginny sent her and probably paid for her lawyer.
Dehede011: Have you run into the theft that goes on in those places??
Sarah Hoyt: Oh, yeah. I believe that. You don’t even have to be old. When I was 28 I went into the hospital with pneumonia. The doctors couldn’t figure out what I had. When I was in intensive care, Dan went home to see that our kids had so
AGplusone: Don’t get me started about my mother’s rings.
AGplusone: A place we paid for …
TreetopAngelRN2: Things go missing all the time
Sarah Hoyt: meone to look after them, and the doctors double-teamed me, trying to convince me to have some very dubious treatment for cystic fibrosis, which they wanted me to have — if you know what I mean — and when I said it was dangerous,
Sarah Hoyt: They tried to convince me that my life was useless.
DavidWrightSr: My wedding ring was stolen in my doctor’s office!
Sarah Hoyt: And I was a burden on my husband and two small sons.
TreetopAngelRN2: One family was up in arms about their mother’s rings…turns out a second cousin who had visited took them
AGplusone: … and it hurt her soooo much to know she’d lost them … her wedding ring and all.
DenvToday: I was very lucky with the agency I used. All Russian emigres. The lady I had had been a doctor in Moscow, but now had to work as a personal care provider.
Sarah Hoyt: gahhhhhhhhhhhh. Dan took all the jewelry home while I was there.
Dehede011: In the Homes I used to visit they were called “companions.”
TreetopAngelRN2: We try to get the family to take all the jewelry and not bring expensive items…
Sarah Hoyt: Yes.
Dehede011: Right E.
Musiquelle26: It was always our first thing with Paula
Dehede011: But some don’t even have families
Musiquelle26: even her glasses went home with us, since she did not need them much, and they were always moving her around
Dehede011: Do you guys run into the demand for “tips.”
TreetopAngelRN2: If rings get loose, we remove them and place them in the safe for the family or POA to pick up.
AGplusone: Gut them if I did.
Musiquelle26: I give hugs to the nurses who help most
Musiquelle26: Found out that it helped the nurses
mkeith54: Yea, he doesn’t work there anymore
TreetopAngelRN2: If anyone working my floor demanded a tip…they would be out the door
TreetopAngelRN2: Hugs are the best tip of all!
DenvToday: Well, I’m off to bed. Thank you all for the opportunity to share about Mrs. Heinlein.
Dehede011: I’ll never forget the nurse that had unwittingly given a patient permission to die. So he did and she realized why
Musiquelle26: good eve
DenvToday: I hope I see you on Saturday.
DenvToday: Night all.
TreetopAngelRN2: good night!
Dehede011: Nite Mus
AGplusone: suffice it to say that I love nurses. I hate the the types that seem to work most convalescent hospitals
Musiquelle26: not me
mkeith54: time to go, good night folks
Sarah Hoyt: I have to say, when I was sick, the doctors were insane, the nurses saved my life.
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TreetopAngelRN2: night mike!
Musiquelle26: On more than one occasion, I have seen that, Sarah
Sarah Hoyt: Especially the male nurse who, late at night, came in to give me a breathing treatment and found out I’d stopped breathing.
Sarah Hoyt: 🙂
Dehede011: Dave you should have met this poor woman when she realized she had unwittingly caused this person to die
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TreetopAngelRN2: It’s nice to know that people have had good experiences with nurses
Sarah Hoyt: They were efficient, concerned, nice.
Sarah Hoyt: AND more knowledgeable than the doctors.
Musiquelle26: The doctor and nursing staff who tried to save Paula’s life will always shine in my heart for their true dedication
Sarah Hoyt: Also, upon hearing the accent, they didn’t decide I needed to HAVE some strange illness, worthy of a paper.
TreetopAngelRN2: sounds familiar:-D
KimKinnison12: must go also..i’m glad I made it in time to pay my respects.
Musiquelle26: nite, Kim
Sarah Hoyt: Nice seeing you.
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TreetopAngelRN2: Night Kim!
Sarah Hoyt: So, should we few left have a toast?
AGplusone: Well, you remember the Glendale “Angel of Mercy”? MF killed the mother of one of my friends and he was a cop. That man isn’t going to live the life term they pleaded him out to in wherever he is.
Dehede011: No, I was talking about something quite different.
TreetopAngelRN2: Ron you told about that one the other night, it’s scary to think that it might happen
AGplusone: But I’ll be nice. Let’s talk about something else.
Dehede011: Some elderly patients will die if you give them permission.
DavidWrightSr: I have a small story
Sarah Hoyt: Yes. Story.
AGplusone: go David
Musiquelle26: To Ginny, may she have skates of silver, and Robert to admire her, wherever she may be
Dehede011: E It is also a blessing under the right circumstances
Sarah Hoyt: And may they have cats and friends and laughter.
TreetopAngelRN2: definitely, Ron…the trouble is knowing when it’s a blessing
Sarah Hoyt: Story?
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AGplusone: Oh, yes! The photo I’ve been sending around is that lovely photo of them too. Thanks to Charlie Brown of Locus. High resolution as they require.
Dehede011: In Deacon school it was passed on as something requiring compassion and judgement. If they don’t want to die they won’t use the permission
DavidWrightSr: I was reading TEFL and the story about David Lamb. I was talking with Ginny and asked her if Robert could do that minutes-to-graduation trick She said yes, and it always intimidated her. No, intimidate is not the right word.
AGplusone: Highly impressed.
DavidWrightSr: Infuriate? Impressed?
AGplusone: I barely remember the log of 2 and 3
Musiquelle26: heck, I have to start over with bonehead algebra when school starts this summer
Musiquelle26: can’t remember pies are square, hardly
TreetopAngelRN2: You can do it Steph! If I did, you definitely can!
DavidWrightSr: I once worked for a retired naval captain, class of 26. He recalled Robert as being a ‘bit weird’
AGplusone: the sum of the …. is equal to the angle of the ….
BPRAL22169: He was a bit weird at that age.
AGplusone: [I’m bad. I’ll go home]
DavidWrightSr: Actually, this captain was a bit weird himself at that age.
Sarah Hoyt: We’re all a bit weird at that age. Well… this “we” was.
BPRAL22169: “Normal” people don’t make great contributions.
Dehede011: David W. I used to see that in the service. The exceptional are weird to the ducks
BPRAL22169: (though they make normal contributions often enough)
Musiquelle26: Then there’s hope for me yet, ’cause I ain’t normal
TreetopAngelRN2: He was SF geek before it was cool!
Sarah Hoyt: SF geeks aren’t cool again.
Sarah Hoyt: Unless it’s movie-SF geeks.
TreetopAngelRN2: too bad, I wear it proudly!
Musiquelle26: Mystery and crime novels are the thing, I think
Dehede011: There is something else that I’ll bet also got RAH disliked
Musiquelle26: Grr, someone got me hooked on a mystery series
DavidWrightSr: My brother-in-law was that weird. Had a degree in Musical Education. Convinced the Navy that M.E. was Mechanical Engineering and wound up as engineering officer on several ships
Sarah Hoyt: Got call from 2nd graders teacher today. Among other things she’d like to know why he always writes about aliens.
AGplusone: Greatest miss: Abraham Lincoln Baird 29, father of a very good friend. Didn’t have a clue he was classmate. He’s dead of course, how.
Dehede011: Remember in the service the occasional guy that was thought weird that was also popular with the ladies
Dehede011: The ducks couldn’t stand that
DavidWrightSr: Of course, he actually did learn the engineering that they threw at him. Became Exec on his last ship just before he had a heart attack. Died at 39
Musiquelle26: I just remember being considered an unfavorable thing for not dating all my sergeants
TreetopAngelRN2: Sarah, the teachers wanted to know why my nephew wrote about one-eyed cats!
Sarah Hoyt: 🙂
Dehede011: Yeah Musi, I don’t know what to say to that one
TreetopAngelRN2: they thought he was morbid…we had to tell them he had a one-eyed cat.
Musiquelle26: I almost got suspended for comparing the Superman story to Christ
Sarah Hoyt: When Robert was in first grade, he wrote about a murder in our living room and the teacher was alarmed and watned to know if he was going to therapy for the trauma.
TreetopAngelRN2: not supposed to have that kind of imagination at that age
Sarah Hoyt: He was READING history at that age. Behind my back. Biography of Julius Caesar…
TreetopAngelRN2: he’s some kid!
AGplusone: Can you imagine what would have happened had Ginny and Robert actually had a kid who had to go to those schools. Kips daddy wouldn’t have held a candle to them.
Sarah Hoyt: Yeah. Lots of work, though.
Musiquelle26: Was reading Shakespeare and Twain by age six…tell me I did not have an imagination at that age
AGplusone: Fire and sword
TreetopAngelRN2: trying to keep ahead of him…
Dehede011: In the 8th grade our poor English teacher caught me reading Shakespeare behind my notebook
Sarah Hoyt: 🙂
DavidWrightSr: One of my kid’s teachers was absolute convinced that we were writing his papers for him. They were typewritten and ‘way above their’ level. My kids were using computers for writing their stuff in the second grade and that was their level
Dehede011: Did you ever hear about Chesty Puller and his HS Latin class
TreetopAngelRN2: we were all a bunch of bad kidsO:-)
Dehede011: Chesty Puller was Commandant of the USMC
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TreetopAngelRN2: ga Ron
AGplusone: I went ballastic and we came down in the principal’s office, but it didn’t do my daughter a bit of good.
Sarah Hoyt: Now, Robert behaves better. But it seems like every year I have to get on my broom and fly around the school for a while.
Dehede011: He wasn’t doing good in Latin and his teacher was always on him for reading behind his notebook
Dehede011: Finally she threw him out of class and demanded he empty his desk
AGplusone: If it ain’t invented here, she must be plagerizing.
Dehede011: She discovered he had translated every latin textbook in the school and local library
Dehede011: As long as it was on warfare
TreetopAngelRN2: well of course David, she MUST be cheating
AGplusone: Yeah, I haven’t been successful, so surely you can’t do better.
TreetopAngelRN2: got a few of those accusations myself when in school
TreetopAngelRN2: amazing Ron
Sarah Hoyt: Robert’s ecology teacher wanted to give him detention because he was two minutes late to a class. He comes from the other building, clear across and only has five minutes. Sigh. THAT was the latest outing on the broom.
AGplusone: Goodness, I have a degeee in edication
Dehede011: John Taylor Gatto says give up and go to home schooling
TreetopAngelRN2: teachers are scared the kids will learn more than they know
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AGplusone: I even ran into that on the Three B’s website.
AGplusone: If you ain’t a teeecher, you don’t no nothin’
Sarah Hoyt: I should. All my homeschooling friends say I should.
DavidWrightSr: Got Booted. David can you send me the part I missed.
BPRAL22169: It’s a big commitment.
Dehede011: Sarah, ????
AGplusone: Yes. Coming up.
Sarah Hoyt: Oh, yeah, and then at the parent teacher conference, first time Dan and I went in, we were told we were recent imigrants from Russia.
Dehede011: How did they get that??
Sarah Hoyt: Considering I grew up in Portugal and Dan is a Connecticut Yankee, this was disturbing.
Sarah Hoyt: Particularly since the fact that we spoke Russian (?) at home apparently was holding our kid back.
gordonsollars: I see a number of folks are still here. It is getting late EST.
Sarah Hoyt: I SOUND russian.
Sarah Hoyt: And Dan is short, stocky and has a beard.
TreetopAngelRN2: must be Russian
BPRAL22169: Still prime time PDT
Sarah Hoyt: Mountain time.
TreetopAngelRN2: laundromat is open all night…I have plenty of time
Sarah Hoyt: I have a story due tomorrow, to finish.
Sarah Hoyt: But hey, the night is young.
Sarah Hoyt: And I only have 3k words to go. 😉
TreetopAngelRN2: I have twelve hours to waste
DavidWrightSr: How do you happen to govorite po-russkij Sarah?
gordonsollars: That’s what I used to say when it was only 11:00 PM
TreetopAngelRN2: Gee, Sarah…that’s how I write papers
Dehede011: About 1000 to 1500 a day is all I can possibly write
Sarah Hoyt: It’s the only way. Adrenaline.
Musiquelle26: Hey, everyone has an open invite to tell me to get busy on the writing from now on
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AGplusone: He’s booted again. Everyone keep back ups.
Sarah Hoyt: And not bellyaching.
AGplusone: DavidWrightSr has left the chat room.
Musiquelle26 (8:18:52 PM): I have poor at home work skills
Sarah Hoyt (8:19:00 PM): 17k edited, a day is average. When I’m actually working. DavidWrightSr has entered the chat room.
DavidWrightSr: shto sluchilos?
AGplusone: How’s that dave?
Musiquelle26: do you prefer logs saved in txt or htm?
Sarah Hoyt: I do not speak Russian. French, Portuguese, very bad Italian, rusty German, and vestigial swedish, but NO Russian. I just sound it.
Sarah Hoyt: Mid range hearing loss might be responsible.
DavidWrightSr: htm. I keep raw logs in htm, convert them to txt and re-html them
AGplusone: Hi, Gordon. Vas ist los?
AGplusone: Need another Ginny story ….
Sarah Hoyt: Steph changed colors on my display…
Musiquelle26: I did?
Sarah Hoyt: From blue to pale green.
Sarah Hoyt: Not sure why.
gordonsollars: Getting by. But you have to remember that I was lucky to be born in an ENglish-speaking country, since it is the only language I can speak.
Sarah Hoyt: And Dave, from yellow to grey.
Musiquelle26: Must be an effect of saving
TreetopAngelRN2: LOL, Gordon!
Sarah Hoyt: Lucky, Gordon, lucky. LOL.
Dehede011: I speak three languages, English, Hillbilly and Pig Latin
Sarah Hoyt: My youngest, on the other hand, was born speaking Chinese.
AGplusone: ’tis true. I hardly spik Ingish.
Musiquelle26: English, Southern, and Military
Sarah Hoyt: Oh, I learned languages in self-defense. Someone directed me to languages against my will, so my revenge was to take A LOT of languages.
gordonsollars: I have a story about my attempt to learn Russian, and I have a story about meeting Mr. and Mrs. Heinlein.
Musiquelle26: I can still read French, and puzzle through written Spanish
Sarah Hoyt: Most of them are gone.
Sarah Hoyt: Yes.
gordonsollars: WHcih should I tell?
Sarah Hoyt: Gordon, story.
AGplusone: /ga please Gordon
Sarah Hoyt: The Heinlein one.
Dehede011: GA Gordon
Sarah Hoyt: Well, both, but the Heinlein one first.
TreetopAngelRN2: I speak Wyomin’, which is barely understood in Montaner
AGplusone: “where the elks is as big as buffalo”
Sarah Hoyt: and it gets mighty lonely?
TreetopAngelRN2: LOL! I’m going to send you a picture of the snow!
Musiquelle26: We had snow today…rarity
Musiquelle26: kids loved it
gordonsollars: It was at the third annual Conference on Space Development.
Sarah Hoyt: No snow. I swear the storms are detouring around us. My trees are dying. I like my trees.
TreetopAngelRN2: we finally got some!
Sarah Hoyt: Go, Gordon.
AGplusone: Saw Sunday morning last week and guess what their final sequence was: elk as big as buffalo
TreetopAngelRN2: that’s just plain silly, glad I was at work!
AGplusone: keep goin’ Gordon
gordonsollars: I had attended the first two, which had been started by the L5 Society. I have not kpet up with these meetings, but in those days (early ’80s) it was an amazing gathering of folks.
AGplusone: … and …
TreetopAngelRN2: I’ll bet…
Sarah Hoyt: gwon
gordonsollars: The Heinleins were at each of the first three, as was Jerry Pournelle, Robert Forward, Gerard K. O’Neill, and other folks like John McCarthy, the inventer of the LISP programming language.
AGplusone: [pant, pant, we’re being both silly and deadly serious, Gordon …}
Sarah Hoyt: [yeah, holding one’s breath this long HURTS]
gordonsollars: Oh, and a funny looking guy playing excellent piano in teh hotol lounge, who later introduced himself as Marvin Minsky.
TreetopAngelRN2: you’re turning blue Sarah
Sarah Hoyt: [pant. whimper]
Sarah Hoyt: :-X
gordonsollars: At least all these folkd were at teh first conference, and many at the later ones. At teh first one I met CHuck and Linda Coffin (whom I think some of you know) and a woman named Barbara Paskay.
AGplusone: [I wanna see the pony, the pony, and it;s gonna be good, I know it!]
AGplusone: Right. Retired SF/.
gordonsollars: Barbara had apparently met the Heinleins before, and Chuck and Linda were invited to dine with the Heinleins at the first conference.
AGplusone: “Doc” Coffin, good friends of Ginny.
AGplusone: GF =green beanies, sneaky pete, special forces
gordonsollars: Well, when I got to the third annual conference (in San Francisco), I looked around for my conference buddies, but none of Chuck, Linda, and Barbara were at that one.
Dehede011: Dave, did you ever know George Dooley?
AGplusone: GF = SF
BPRAL22169: Ginny was. that was when I met her the first time.
Sarah Hoyt: Still holding :-X They don’t have a blue icon.
gordonsollars: I remembered that Barbara had said that Campari was one of Mrs. Heinlein’s favorites – Barbara had in fact presented Mrs. Heinlein with a bottel at the last two conferences.
gordonsollars: So I got a bottle, and gave it to the hotal management to give to Mrs. Heinlein, along with a note that said, “In the absence of the Coffins and Barbara, please allow me to continue this tradition.”
Sarah Hoyt: Wow.
Dehede011: Very good
Sarah Hoyt: Very gentlemany.
gordonsollars: Now, at an SF conference, I suspect SOP would have been for the hotel to blow off my request – humdreds, if not thousands would be trying to do such things. But the L5 meetings were different.
BPRAL22169: The Palace is not an ordinary hotel, either.
gordonsollars: OK, it /was/ gentlemanly, but it was also shameless namedropping. 😉
Dehede011: Gordon, on the other hand to many hotels it would have just been another bottle to sell
Dehede011: Gordon may I respond with a Ginny story that perhaps suggests how she would take it
AGplusone: Very nice, Gordon.
TreetopAngelRN2: ga Ron
Sarah Hoyt: And it took some daring. I for one never would have. It took months for two people to convince me to send her a birth announcement and a letter.
Sarah Hoyt: ga.
Dehede011: I once was talking to her and told her of my best friend having been a student of RAH’s brother at WP
gordonsollars: In any event, the next morning I got a call in my hotel room saying, “Hello, this is Virgina Heinlein.”
AGplusone: considering Sarah had a son born 7.7 she named Robert Anson
Sarah Hoyt: =-O
Sarah Hoyt: ga
Dehede011: Has Gordon still got the floor??
gordonsollars: She invited me (and my guest) to join them for breakfast. I had to think a moment…
gordonsollars: I would be happy to yield at this time
Sarah Hoyt: go on
Dehede011: No, not at all. I just couldn’t tell if there was more to tell. LOve your story
TreetopAngelRN2: Finish it Gordon!=-O
Musiquelle26: stop now and I send virtual tickles to you
Sarah Hoyt: (gentlemany, daring AND cruel…. um… have we met?)
Sarah Hoyt: [I’m JOKING!]
Musiquelle26: I’m not 😀
Dehede011: In any case the story I know only works as a response to yours
gordonsollars: Well, of course, I didn;t have to think at all, in fact I couldn’t. I said yes.
Dehede011: That is understandable
Sarah Hoyt: Paralyzed with embarrassement?
Sarah Hoyt: (Projecting)
gordonsollars: My girlfriend and I went down to the hotel restaurant and got in a long line wating for a table.
TreetopAngelRN2: isn’t it hard to say ‘yes’ when your lower jaw is on the floor???
Sarah Hoyt: 😀
Sarah Hoyt: I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one who went in holy awe of them…. I thought I was being a fool.
gordonsollars: I couldn’t spot the Heinleins at first, then I saw Mr. Heinlein explaining to the hostess that he was going to be joined by someone, but that that person would have to recognize him.
TreetopAngelRN2: I think the awe would have lasted a few minutes, then I would have remembered my manners and treated them like I treat everyone I meet.
gordonsollars: We stepped forward and joined Mr. Heinlein (Mrs. Heinlein was already seated at a table), as every eye in that line was upon us.
gordonsollars: I don’t remember too many details after that,and I am pretty sure I made a fool of myself. I do remember that Mr, Heinlein asked each of us what we were going to order, and then ordered for all of us.
BPRAL22169: Host’s privilege
gordonsollars: Also, that when I explained that I did computer work, he said that Mrs. Heinlein was the computer expert in their family.
gordonsollars: Indeed, host’s privilege. His whole manner was of another era.
gordonsollars: To this day, I refer to him as “Mr. Heinlein: because of that meeting.
Musiquelle26: Good night friends
gordonsollars: It is different now, in that alt.fan.heinlein has some folks who have actually met or both of them.
Musiquelle26: tis midnite
gordonsollars: But back in, say, 1993-94, a lot of posters were saying “Robert” this, and “Bob” that, when it was clear they had never met him.
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Steph!
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BPRAL22169: He did seem to prompt this automatic respect.
Dehede011: nite steph
DavidWrightSr: I know. I was very hesitant about calling him Robert when talking with Ginny. But RAH or Mr. Heinlein felt very strange and that is why I asked her. She thought it very normal that I should call him Robert.
Dehede011: He and she were old fashioned gentle people
BPRAL22169: I finally compromised on calling him “R”
TreetopAngelRN2: I had an English prof, had the same effect on me, coincidently he was from Missouri…
Dehede011: I called him “Mr. Heinlein” She got me moved over to RAH
BPRAL22169: I’m giving out — time for me to leave.
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Bill!
Sarah Hoyt: Well, I’m very different. I’m a fanatic, see. When a writer friend said “Bob Heinlein” I got up, got in his face and told him, “Take off your shoes and cover your face, you’re trespassing on sacred ground.”
BPRAL22169: Have fun.
Dehede011: nite Bill
Sarah Hoyt: So, he still thinks I’m nuts. Fanatic, I tell you.
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Sarah Hoyt: But it annoyed me.
Sarah Hoyt: … as if he’d gone to school with him, you know…
Dehede011: Nite folks, I have run out of time. Bye
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TreetopAngelRN2: dropping like flies
gordonsollars: I’m going to have to leave as well. THe Russian story will have to wait. 😉
TreetopAngelRN2: Night Gordon, it’s a good story!
Sarah Hoyt: Shoot. IT’s a wonderful story.
Sarah Hoyt: Thanks.
DavidWrightSr: It is getting late and we have been going on for 4 hours. I will announce that we will have another session Saturday at 5:00 PM EST, our regular time for anybody who wants to return or for people who couldn’t make it tonight
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Sarah Hoyt: Yeh. I should go.
TreetopAngelRN2: Yeah, I should probably go…
QinJingYou: Good night all
Sarah Hoyt: Confiscate books and turn off lights in the kids rooms.
TreetopAngelRN2: Good night everyone!
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Sarah Hoyt: g’night. (This time for real.)
Sarah Hoyt: 🙂
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DavidWrightSr: David, You still here?
DavidWrightSr: Log officially closed at 12:05 AM EST
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